Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[Lonewind]

Oh, poor AV! What a sad ending for you!
Zerged like anything else!
>__<)/

my thoughts exactly

and

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...luteVirtue.png

this is the best, thank you.

[Therin]

So they're ok with us squeezing in a few more but intend on nerfing at their leisure? =P

Hint: They're fixing other errors and not this one.

If they didn't want K.Clubs to kill it they'd nerf it as soon as possible.

[Lonewind]

so with the Sept 16th Maintenance 4 things could happen
1. Kclub / Souleater / BW nerf, which I thought would be unlikely since it has its place elsewhere in the game, and let the drks have their fun.

2. AV buffed in a way to counter the zerg

3. (best situation) second adjustment to AV with more obvious strats (accompanied with non-ambiguous Hints), knowing SE's history, the most unlikely of the options.

4. Something completely unrelated to AV

at any rate, let the zerg continue, and spam it until then. Good luck to all.

[Deader2818]

Its either something to do with AV, or maybe something to do with the new WS quests.

Who knows maybe they will just be like "screw it" and make it so you can zerg AV with SAMs, RNGs, and other zerg jobs as well.

[Contract]

Futsuno is in no way better than amano. Yes it has 84 Base damage, 8 STR, 8 DEX, 8 STP and 480 Delay for a 46 STP 5 hit build. But we don't even know if this outperforms hagun on a regular basis, because not one person to ever lay their finger on futsuno is worthy to use it. The past few comments of someone's "testing" only confirms it.

And for the record, 8 STR = 2 base damage at best.

It's not exactly difficult to test the power of weapons against each other. I did Gekko to JoL about 5 times with both GKs at 300 TP, every time with minuetx2 and a fresh herculean etude for about +85 STR and ~650 attack. Every single Gekko I did with the Futsuno did more than Amano, and the fact that I was getting 21 TP/swing with Futsuno makes me think it's pretty clear that it would do more damage to any mid-high/high defense HNM, where Kaiten does 500 or less most of the time.

Also, I know Amano is worlds better for meriting and any event where I can use Kaiten effectively like Einherjar/Limbus/Dynamis, simply because of the huge 2.5 procs and Kaiten's big damage. Futsuno is easily the second best GK in the game though, possibly aside from the mythic GK, but I doubt that one is better.

P.S. Maybe for your average multi-hit WS or 1-hit WSes without a 50%+ STR mod, 8 STR would be close to 2 base damage. Gekko however has a 75% STR mod, and for that 8 STR does alot more than 4 base damage.

[Aksannyi]

Maybe they are just adjusting the drop rates since it's so easy to kill now (well, if you have the manpower) they don't want everyone and their sister to have sashes.

That's too optimistic of an approach for me, however, and I bet we're going to be crying on Wednesday.

[jibini]

P.S. Maybe for your average multi-hit WS or 1-hit WSes without a 50%+ STR mod, 8 STR would be close to 2 base damage. Gekko however has a 75% STR mod, and for that 8 STR does alot more than 4 base damage.

In fact, to elaborate:

Base WS Damage = floor ( floor ( D + fSTR + WSC ) * fTP )

WSC (@75) = floor ( floor ( stat * mod ) * 0.83 )

For YGK, it's a 75% STR mod, so +8 str:

WSC = floor ( floor ( 8 * 0.75 ) * 0.83 )
= floor ( 6 * 0.83 )
= 4

Making +8 str equivalent to 4 or 5 (depending on your str without Futsuno) base damage from WSC alone.

You could also get another 1-2 base damage from fSTR, if you're if an uncapped situation (and both are the same weapon rank, so no need to worry about the cap changing).

So, worst case, 8 str is 4 base damage, best case it's 7.

[frodnonnag]

question is, who is gonna be the lucky or unlucky test group for after tuesdays "emergency" maitenance?

[Correction]

Maybe they are just adjusting the drop rates since it's so easy to kill now (well, if you have the manpower) they don't want everyone and their sister to have sashes.

That's too optimistic of an approach for me, however, and I bet we're going to be crying on Wednesday.

haha imagine those patch notes.

* Absolute Virtue can now drop Fire Crystals for players with Signet active

[LeothaSamurai]

Here is my question.
You say Futs 300% gekko does 1200 dmg and Amanos kaiten does 700dmg.
Then why not do Kaiten x3 for 2100 dmg?
A real test would to see what Futs 100% gekko does compaired to kaiten @100%.

[Cautery]

On Ragnarok, 4 ls are getting ready to pop their JoL and cooperating (1+1 & 1+1) to take down AV!

SpikeFlail + NovOrsa & EternalCalm + ChocoboGordo

edit: 25drk @ AlTaieu right now! :D

[TaruMortis]

The thing I find funny with all this is when people would suggest "Maybe SE wants the community to work together to down AV/PW/etc." people would respond (and I'm guilty of this as well) "Haha goodluck with getting that kind of cooperation and dealing with ninja lots on stuff!" And now..well... we've seen more and more LSes working together to down AV.

[Tubbers]

The EC + CG Teamup LS is called:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5830/lolsashbc8.png

[Cautery]

1st attempt: meteor @ 1% killed everyone. GameOver.

[Tubbers]

First Attempt - 1% by NoFlail. So close... I couldn't believe that.

[DancingEdge]

No RR, or was it instantly regening insanely high as soon as you wiped? =X

[Cloudius]

You said you were going to tell me

[Zosi]

No RR, or was it instantly regening insanely high as soon as you wiped? =X

Read the rest of the thread. If someone wipes after it changes modes, it stays in that mode and spams magic/2hrs, making it basically impossible to finish off.

[Cautery]

Yesterday JPs lost at 7%, today first attempt lost at 1%.... I think Ragnarok won't ever see a Virtuous Saint...

[Ramzii]

Here is my question.
You say Futs 300% gekko does 1200 dmg and Amanos kaiten does 700dmg.
Then why not do Kaiten x3 for 2100 dmg?
A real test would to see what Futs 100% gekko does compaired to kaiten @100%.

Because they were testing its max potential, and Kaiten blows on high def monsters