Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[ringthree]

You should look back at the posts to see what Contract said earlier. It's true he claimed Futsuno to outperformed Amano because of WS damage and 5-hit build, but he also said that Amano out performs Futsuno in merit PTs, which is what I was responding to in Vax's post.



Here he says Futsuno better overall except for in merits



I responded to Vax because he says Contract claims Futsuno is better than Amano in merit PTs which is untrue. I hope that clarifies the situation for you. Of course I'm not arguing which Great Katana is better, I'm just clarifying what Contract said.

Sorry, I was more responding to Contracts notion, not yours. Guess I just quoted the wrong person. The point is that I don't think there is evidence (empirical or analytical) that Futsuno is better than Amano.

[Cloudius]

When on 1st attempt, all died at 1%, a RNG woke up immidiatly and shot a WS then died immidiatly after. I'm wondering what would have happened if I had Mijin'd after it went yellow...

Maybe be if you have both items that enhance it!

[Tubbers]

I just completely fucked up our first attempt. 100% completely fucked it up. /emo.

Edit: My fuckup was that I had the idea to draw weapons, turn backs (and be a safe distance away) before using SE+BE to cut out the draw delay, we killed JoL in a bad spot so AV wandered into our DRKs...

[Cautery]

I just completely fucked up our first attempt. 100% completely fucked it up. /emo.

With what you've done, you guys lost about 10sec of full damage while AV meteore'd you at 45%! Dont blame yourself too much! You could't win anyway..

[TB]

A fully ally of rng to blow 2hours on a 1% AV is hardly practical, I'm just joking.

Rather have those RNG switch to WHM and assign 1 each to 1 DRK inside the alliance to Cure bomb them. That's what we're doing and it saved 1 attempt which was very close and helped us to win.

[Tubbers]

With what you've done, you guys lost about 10sec of full damage while AV meteore'd you at 45%! Dont blame yourself too much! You could't win anyway..

Our start was a mistake. We weren't supposed to start until about 10s after we did, AV kinda wandered into us before we had used SE+BE, the plan was to have him there in place

It kinda went like this:

00:00 Me: BRDs SV at <whatever time>
00:00 <SCH start casting stoneskinga>
00:10 <SCH drop, BRDs added>
00:15 <BRD sings first song>
00:30<BRD sings second song>
00:33 *While the singing happens*<DRKs Drain II goldfish>
00:39 <DRKs cast Dread Spikes and second BRD added>
00:45 <BRD sings first song>
01:00 <BRD sings second song>+<DRKs draw weapon>
01:01 AV Wanders into us
01:10 <BRD finishes second song>
01:13 <WHMs added><AV rapes me>
01:15 PT Chat: wtf is going on?
01:17 <DRKs use Souleater>
01:18 <DRKs use bloodweapon>
AV > 43% > Meteor

We lost at least 15-16 seconds doing nothing on him, easily would have won. I did 0 damage before dying so we were already down a KC also.


Anyways, the lesson here is drawing weapons beforehand may seem like a good idea, but it isn't, draw them after SE+BW are on. Dumbest thing I've ever done in this game probably.


Edit: 2boxing the only dedicated AV sacker we had also was a pretty bad idea

[Fhqwghads]

We attempted a zerg. Had about 4 DRK with KC/O club, another 3 DRK w/chopper or fort. Got it down to 44% in about 10 seconds or so, then it charmed, and I got to kill 3 people in the LS, so wasn't a total loss. Hope Tuesday they don't nerf it so we can try again next weekend.

[Narse]

Since when does AV 'wander around'?

[vagus]

Most important thing is the JoL alliance losing hate on AV asap. If someone gets hate, they need to not kite AV. Need to keep AV near its spawn and reset as quick as possible. Best to be patient and wait for him to reset before running in.

[Kumaccio]

I just completely fucked up our first attempt. 100% completely fucked it up. /emo.

Edit: My fuckup was that I had the idea to draw weapons, turn backs (and be a safe distance away) before using SE+BE to cut out the draw delay, we killed JoL in a bad spot so AV wandered into our DRKs...

add me to the /emo list :<

[Tubbers]

Since when does AV 'wander around'?

Ok we also made the mistake of not bringing JoL out of the alcove, AV was too close to the Aerns and linking them. We sacked him away out of the alcove and tried to hold him there (with sacks). He will wander back to the place where JoL was when he died, the pathing is pretty bad, so instead of wandering straight back, he wandered circular to the pop point, right into us (me).

[Redness]

Here is the best way we've come to do this so far.

We KNOW, AV has a 2 hour timer. This timer is roughly 60 seconds. From the instant he spawns after JoL is dead, that timer starts.

Now here's the important part. You either

1. Buff pre-JoL death so that as soon as AV is up you can start raping
OR
2. WAIT and use someone useless to hold AV up until it 2 hours, THEN engage.

So like for the few people above me who have run into meteor/charm, this can be avoided by doing one of the two above.

We have been going with #1. Here's a play by play:

JoL is under 5%.

Bards SV buffs and drop.
WHMs are invited.
DRKs Drain II JoL.
1 or 2 DDs are sitting on TP and finish JoL off if the Drains didn't already.
JoL dies.
DRKs use JAs. (SEBW)
AV pops.
DRKs engage and rape begins.

At this point his 2hr timer has just begun counting, giving you 50~ seconds of time to kill him. You should be able to kill AV off in 30~ seconds.

If you don't, well you're gonna die.

The ONLY thing that AV has that is gonna rain on your parade at this point is Impact Stream, and god only knows he can spam it.

EDIT: OR if you're unlucky he'll start casting things like Aeroga and if you're slow but still got him under 79% Meteor/Comet.

[Linsivi]

We just kept a tank on JoL and had 3 BLM nuke it down at 1%, let AV do his thing to the kill alliance, buff then go.

With that said, I would like to reemphasize the point of do not mess with an AV after its been toyed with by someone else. We asked another ls who was killing AV if we could try and zerg it down once they were done. They said ok after we play with it a bit. Playing was nuking tier 1 on it of the same elemental day... (lol). Was all fine and dandy til one it meteor'd and killed one of our DRK. So we sac'd it a bit too get them back up, buffed up and went after AV. AV immediately started using ws, stoned the entire alliance, summoned wynavs, etc etc. Got it to 60% before we just all fell down. This was with 10 ridill or kris DRK, 1 Apoc, 1 BZ. Definitely go for the kill right after it pops.

[Tubbers]

Not that anyone cares, but AV down on Ragnarok! (Not my group), SF+NO Teamup got Bellona's, Mars's, Raphael's.

[LinktheDeme]

Have you ever participated in an AV fight? Most of the time, if you wipe, it's really ugly, and by the time it's killed everyone in the alliance it's already regenned 3-4%, which is over a thousand damage. Unless you've got a party of like 6 BLMs outside and over 25 units anyway ready to run in and ES Burst II as soon as it goes yellow, there's probably no saving a wipe unless you've wiped above 79% and can fully recover (as the Odin team-up did)..

Need an alliance of 18 ninjas with 1500+ hp for mijin gakure!

[Hitoshura]

I was really hoping it wouldn't come down to that... just throwing DRK's at it with K club's like everything else.

Question though, what prevented that from working in the past?

[Fwahm]

The minute for souleater kraken would be up and AV would still have 2/3 of his HP left.

[LinktheDeme]

I was really hoping it wouldn't come down to that... just throwing DRK's at it with K club's like everything else.

Question though, what prevented that from working in the past?

They cut its hp in half (more or less?). Though 15 kclub drks might have been able to have done it back then but they would have all needed kclubs and optimal gear. No merc kriss or ridill crap

[sruon]

Downed on Bismarck by AD + Lunarians team up, 15 seconds kill.
Aureole Bellona Mars and rod

About to do second.

[abbeylee]

needs a new forum for GKT info D: