Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[Lonewind]

Ok so my LS did JoL tonight. We are a sea LS and have been doing JoL forever. Best time prenerf so far was 45 min. Now, we usually just play with AV to see what we could figure out. Now tonight, we thought hey let's see if we can do this legit and learn something. Our LS only has 2 kc drks, 1 bz drk and like 3-4 kris'. So we didn't really have the zerg power. Since we've been doing this for like 3 years, who cares if we can't kill AV right?

I'll post some SS of the log tomorrow. However, b4 I forget, a few things.
Maybe Coincidental but a thought from another member.

1st kill, AV pops after DRKs kill JoL, they have hate. 1st 2hr AV uses is Bloodweapon.
2nd kill, PLD dc'd and JoL kills pretty much anyone with hate. My brd gets drawn in, we kill JoL. AV pops and 1st 2hr is Soulvoice.

During Soulvoice he only charms. Never once did he cast anything else. When it wore off and he 2hr'd again, he spammed Aeroga4. I'm wondering if he only can do certain things during certain 2hrs. Like I said, when the ss are posted on PB, i'll post them hear for ppl to take them out.

btw, we never really did more than 3% damage. We were trying to see if there is any merit behind the 1-2k damage "your fight speed is all wrong" idea. We will continue to fight JoL and we will keep doing AV like this until we figure something out. Might grab some friends to zerg it a few times for gear but I'd rather learn how SE intended for this fight to be won.

Oh ya by the way, Halberd only 1st kill and Novia only 2nd kill. What crap, we've been getting full drops almost every kill till tonight.

While it is understandable that all LSs that are capable of of zerging AV down are trying to get as many done prior to the possible maintenance ending this charade, and I wish the success of all those that do, I think you and your LS for your willingness to continue testing and finding more info regarding AV (if any)

[rithridan]

When AV popped for us after killing JoL I remember it doing Call Wyvern when we don't use any DRG or COR/BLU/PUP/DNC/SCH. We have killed it with 2SAM/1THF/1RNG/4BLM/4RDM/1PLD/1WHM/3BRD since that were the only jobs we had present for the fight. Most likely it got killed by one of the first 4 jobs on that list.

[abbeylee]

I don't think it's 2hrs have anything to do with the jobs present... We zerg it everytime and yesterday got screwed with Meikyo Shishu, which it did while we saced it while job changing.

We have killed it with 2SAM/1THF/1RNG/4BLM/4RDM/1PLD/1WHM/3BRD since that were the only jobs we had present for the fight.

Explain plz :D

[abbeylee]

just read a post on the previous page I must've missed, a drk had the killshot, so I don't think its much related to the 2hrs. I really think they're just random sadly =(

[rithridan]

I don't think it's 2hrs have anything to do with the jobs present... We zerg it everytime and yesterday got screwed with Meikyo Shishu, which it did while we saced it while job changing.



Explain plz :D

Killed JoL, not AV, if that's what you meant. Was as a reply to the suggestion that AV opens up the fight with a 2h of the job that last had hate on JoL or something similar to that.

[spooky]

Ah it's all so obvious now, AV has the 2hrs of all the people that fought JoL. So don't fight JoL with WHMs and BLMs and you're sorted!
Maybe if you killed JoL with COR BLU PUP SCH DNC only it AV wouldn't 2hr at all!

[Robert]

to perpetuate this theory, we fucked around with AV for a while (only ~15 people) the day it came out, I think the lowest we got it was 93 or 94? over the course of a few "lol lets see what it does" attempts, it never bene'd, we use a SCH instead of a WHM. I dunno if we didn't get it low enough to bene or what, you guys can decide that, it did hundred fist me and we had no MNK, so <_< whatever

[spooky]

I'll add fule to the fire by saying only the 2hrs that it readies or doesn't can be stopped by nothing having those jobs fight JoL then!

[Dawin]

We've already established that some of AV's behavior resets once all hate is lost (either that, or once hate is lost + some very short unknown period of time).

So I think people trying to link AV 2 hours to what happens with the JoL fight should first establish whether or not there was any chance of an AV reset before the data you are giving out.

Basically I'm thinking all the old testing that was done is pretty irrelevant since he almost always reset before the old attempts.

[donnie]

yep , I still think you cant build assumption on an AV that got reset , the reason i see SE linked AV to JoL , is so that you fight him immediately with all stats effected of what you did to JoL. I ask again to always mention what AV have you fought , since he drops all DoTs , and reset all his 2hrs.

[Kenji]

You're just not reading the posts by people who lost are you? It still is luck as to whether or not AV gets in a TP move or a 2hr which will immediately end any attempt. It's not the 'I win' button you assert.

And big surprise the shells with the capability to use kclub zergs are getting their attempts in at a greater rate than those formulating strategies because they are unable to muster the kclubs. Your statements are hollow.

Oh, but I am reading those with great interested. All those losses were due to easily avoidable stupid mistakes. If the LS has it's timing down, it's practically a sure win. You are aware of the time difference between AV 2 hours, meaning you have at least 60 seconds? You are aware a PLD sacrifice someone can trigger a useless 2 hour like Call Wyvern or Mighty Strikes, and thus you don't have to fear other 2 hours while you start the zerg? Or prep right before JoL dies and start on AV as soon as he pops?

Someone hasn't been reading the strats coming up on these pages.

And if SE doesn't nerf the situation tomorrow, expect to see the kclub zerging continue.

[burytheweak]

all these loser Linkshells needed to have AV nerfed. Buncha losers if you ask me. Why couldn't you beat AV before? Stop beating your chest and go get a life because you failed at FFXI, you had to have a mob nerfed before you could win L A W L .

[kingofkings08]

Your mistaken our attempt we failed he used 0 2hrs but stun move x3 which stop dmg too much for us to finish it

[Auronku]

I'd still really like to see an attempt like the following:

- Put 4 DRKs with KC in a pt with 2 bards
- This party pops JoL outside of an alliance
- All of them 2 hour with outside healing
- No magic whatsoever is cast on JoL, the only damage comes from from BW and SE damage and this pt ganks JoL quickly
- After JoL dies, you can possibly ally two parties set up in a defensive manner meant to tank AV as long as possible and observe his behavior
- If what you're theorizing is true with the drks and brds, he should only ever do Blood Weapon and Soul Voice if I'm following you
- Also with never having magic casted on him, possibly this is the extreme you have to go to stop Aerogas or something

I understand it's more theory, and if you have 4 KCs, why aren't you zerging AV anyway and yadda yadda, but just an idea. Ignore me if you'd like to.

[Belkin]

My LS has not used a single BLM on Jailer of Love in like 4 months. We still get spammed with Aeroga and Chainspell.

[Rajah]

My LS has not used a single BLM on Jailer of Love in like 4 months. We still get spammed with Aeroga and Chainspell.

Or do you mean manafont?

If someone were to try to kill JoL w/o RDMs, BLMs, WHMs, BRDs, (gather your SCH) and this actually prevents AV from using their respective 2 hours, he's totally killable.

[Therin]

If someone were to try to kill JoL w/o RDMs, BLMs, WHMs, BRDs, (gather your SCH) and this actually prevents AV from using their respective 2 hours, he's totally killable.

Haha, here's your balance:

AV can only be killed by DRK and other strong melee. The balance is in that AV can only defeat you by using mage two-hours!

[Tricen]

So what id the minimum you think AV can be downed with? Like at least 6 DRks with proper zerg gear and multihit weapons? The LS I am in has about... 4 DRKs with zerg gear and multihit weapons, 1 being oclub and the rest being Mkris... I know that isn't enough, but it looks like most everyone has been using at least 8 drks with kclubs/mkris?

[Therin]

Just assume Ridill/M.Kris/B.Zaghnal to be 3,000-4,000 damage in 30 seconds and Kraken to be about 7,000-9,000 damage in 30 seconds. Octave Club is probably somewhere between both of those. You have to do 66,000 damage in 30 seconds to win. MNK/DRK can probably pull 3,000 in 30 seconds.

You're going to need at least two Krakens regardless just so that you can allow the Kris/Zaghnal/Ridills to do slightly less than the average and still win (basically you want 15 members doing 4,000 damage in 30 seconds on average).

I haven't seen anyone win with less than 3 Krakens, so minimally:

3 Krakens (22,500+ damage), 10 Ridill/Kris/Zaghnal or MNK/DRK (30,000+ damage) and 2 miscellaneous DDs to do at least 1,500 or 2,000 to fill in slots.

[Valkrish]

My LS has not used a single BLM on Jailer of Love in like 4 months. We still get spammed with Aeroga and Chainspell.

i know what you're trying to say.

we've done JOL multiple times.

never had blm in alliance and still uses manafont ~_~