Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[Demosthenes11]

this is what happens when you make AV accessible to all ls's

[Belkin]

CoronA, if you try again soon, I would keep that pace but have one BLM stop at around half of his MP pool. When the rest are completely empty, have the one BLM with half his pool left spam tier 1 element of the day to keep the regen off.

I do find it interesting that Regen provoked such behavior. Could be on to something.

[thetruepandagod]

iiZerg LS killed on sylph in 8 seconds all drops except GKT and ranged

3KC 5M kris 1 ridill 1 zaghnal 1 sam 1mnk/drk 1thf/drk 1rng

and now having killed it with a zerg i still want to say i really wish/prefer if there was a nonzerg way discovered soon

[Drako]

I wanted to take a second to post what we seen tonight. Forgive me if anything or everything I say has already been touched upon but I wanted to share.

Our LS has several sets ready to go but another LS told us they were doing JOL and were not planning to touch AV so we went up. Mind you, with a normal setup.

The first time we tried it got all out of whack because we came to realize that AV does not want to move from where JOL died, didn't realize that. I had read about draw in but thought
perhaps JOL's area was his area. Not the case as we tried to bring him back into the are where JOL pops @ originally but he would not move from the farthest point from where JOL will go, which is where JOL died. He would run out there eventually if you tried to sac him but it involved many draw ins and would eventually rest back where JOL died. This messed us up on our first run @ it.

The one semi succesfull try we did have we got down to 91% before things went crazy. We placed 4 tanks in a square around him (PLD/NIN (Aegis) PLD/NIN RDM/NIN RDM/NIN) and were able to hold him while nukes were laid on him. Our BLM's began to run low on MP around 91% and he started to regen. Once he started to regen he used Miekyo Shisui or however you spell it. We tried throughout the fight to use two hours when he did. The one time we managed to match his two hour with one used by us, was Soul Voice. Up until that point he was using two hours about every 45-50 seconds (not 60 seconds what I have seen here many times over). The time we matched his 2 hour, it was almost 3 minutes before he used another two hour again, which was Call Wyvern. I know or so people have said it had been disproven but he did not use Soul Voice again after this point. Could be luck, probably is.

Throughout the 15 or so minutes we did hold him he did use Chainspell I think twice but we managed to live through it. He eventually regen'd himself back up to around 96% before damage got started again. However, by that point he seemed to be much more pissed off than before when he was down to 91% before the damage stopped. Anywho, damage started again and around 94 or 95% bringing him back down, he used manafont and of course destroyed everyone with Meteor. As odd as it may seem, when we didn't match his 2 hour he seemed to want to 2 hour sooner.

To the person who mentioned something along the lines of constant damage, I think you may have a pretty good idea... I noticed as long as we were doing slow but consistant damage, he wasn't that bad. We seen Call Wyvern, Bloodweapon (A couple of times), Chainspell, Hundred Fists, Soul Voice, Meikyo Shisui, and of course Manafont. It really seemed to me like he got to the point that he was agitated enough with something going wrong and just Manafont'd and ended it. I only wonder how it would have went had the constant damage been able to keep up.

To the group that tried the traditional strategy on Hades i think it was a while back? Didn't you say when it Benediction'd you that it had regen'd some before it did this? Curious...

Just posting what I noticed tonight because while I sincerely don't have a prblm with zerging it (and we likely will in the near future provided it doesn't get lolnerfed), I along with may others would love to get it figured out in a more traditional setting.

i dont know if ppl already tried this, AV has a timed 2hr right? some say 60 sec, u are saying 45-50, what if u have to match the 2hr on the spot (maybe 1-2 secs apart, but u actually need to hit the macro before u see him doing the move so you can do it around the same time as he). To get him to stop doing the 2hrs? most LSs are reporting that he almost always do the same 2hrs after the pop, so thats what they changed maybe so we can hit the right 2hr more.
Each time you get the right one, he doesnt 2hr for some time..

And about the regen, i saw many posts stating that if you match the elemental magic with the day his regen gets really low. And killing the JoL pops too of course.

[Kaeko]

Slight hyperbole for the 8 seconds kill I'm guessing but yea it does go down fast.

Odin teamup finished out tonight. Past 4 days the 3 LSs did 21 AV fights, won 18 of them (6 AV drops for each of the 3 LSs). I'd say all 3 losses were completely avoidable ones. We combined for 2 GKTs, 7 Aureoles, 8 Sashes, 13 Minerva's, and 18 Mars/Bellona/Raphaels; easily average more than 1 AV item per player, although some of them are pretty lame items imo. Average time between AV kills the final night (today) was about 1 hour - probably about 20-25 minutes of that was downtime. We had this really down to a science I think. Regardless of if it is nerfed or not tomorrow, I'm really glad to be on Odin right now and I'm sure those that took part in this are as well.

A JP LS tried twice as well here. They had 6 KCs on their own (more than our entire team up combined) but wiped badly both times, I think 30% and 60%, because they did not use a THF to open the gank with Feint. Coming from a JP LS myself, I really think that 'ganking' is a very NA/EU based concept.

[Bonkerskitty]

SnD Linkshell - Search and Destroy of Lakshmi just defeated Absolute Virtue this AM!!!

WOOT! GO GUYS!!! First on Lakshmi!!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7...916_011705.png

[Stanislav]

All the night is over, nerf maybe tomorrow

EX 12/14 wins (impact stream can suck it)

12 mars
12 bellona
9 minvera
8 sash
6 Aureole
12 lolrod
1 gkt

Everyone is happy!

[Epical]

Wow, 1/12 Futsuno... that's horrible. D:

[Valkrish]

iiZerg LS killed on sylph in 8 seconds all drops except GKT and ranged

3KC 5M kris 1 ridill 1 zaghnal 1 sam 1mnk/drk 1thf/drk 1rng

and now having killed it with a zerg i still want to say i really wish/prefer if there was a nonzerg way discovered soon

confirmed!

i saw it die

it was glorious

[dbdesigns]

Moon phase and direction obviously

[Guitarman]

1/5 for us on GKT on shiva so far. NEVER would have thought the GKT was more rare than the sash.

[Anira]

Search and Destroy just killed our second AV. We got 5 drops - Mars, Minerva, Bellona's, Aureole, and Rod. First fight we only got three drops Mars, Bellona's, and Rod.

http://snd.wordedrealms.com/images/av2.jpg

[Amok]

They had 6 KCs on their own (more than our entire team up combined) but wiped badly both times, I think 30% and 60%, because they did not use a THF to open the gank with Feint.

Shine THF, shine! Best DD (enabler) ever!

Also, I think all the zerg kills will percipitate SE giving out (more?) hints on how to kill it the normal way because they'll probably want to give people without the resources a shot at it too. On the other hand, they DID say that AV was meant to be an rare and epic battle that required players to team up. At least the second part seems true still.

PS
Someone give a THF a rod so they can True Strike an Aura Pot... I wanna see.

[[Vax]]

1/5 for us on GKT on shiva so far. NEVER would have thought the GKT was more rare than the sash.

Well shit, there is a comparable item to sash that isn't extremely hard to get... Now on the other hand, the only other GK that's in the same ballpark.. no, Country (albeit better) is Amanomurakumo...

[Kaeko]

Shine THF, shine! Best DD (enabler) ever!

Also, I think all the zerg kills will percipitate SE giving out (more?) hints on how to kill it the normal way because they'll probably want to give people without the resources a shot at it too. On the other hand, they DID say that AV was meant to be an rare and epic battle that required players to team up. At least the second part seems true still.

PS
Someone give a THF a rod so they can True Strike an Aura Pot... I wanna see.

On the surface, it would appear that SE KC DRKs is the backbone of ganking strategies in FFXI, but I think any group that truly knows why ganking with KCs works knows it's really the THF's feint. All those KCs have incredible damage potential, but it's a C- weapon on some of the most evasive HNMs out there.

What really started this KC DRK ganking era was the implementation of Group 2 Merits THF Feint. Prior to this, you would really only see KC DRKs raping stupid shit like Adamantoise which won't evade anything. On anything evasive the accuracy w/o Feint just won't cut it.

Isn't Feint like a -300 Evasion bonus or something? Why SE would give you that broken an ability (on a 3 minute timer now no less) is beyond me.

[LD]

2 minutes. It lasts 30 seconds (and iirc, diminishes over the duration), so by itself it isn't broken. But most things are only broken when combined with something else.

[Reality]

1/5 for us on GKT on shiva so far. NEVER would have thought the GKT was more rare than the sash.

eventually there will be someone trying to validate why the GKT is more valuable than the sash

you know it's coming.

edit: i think it already happened, lool

[Ploid]

Shine THF, shine! Best DD (enabler) ever!

Also, I think all the zerg kills will percipitate SE giving out (more?) hints on how to kill it the normal way because they'll probably want to give people without the resources a shot at it too. On the other hand, they DID say that AV was meant to be an rare and epic battle that required players to team up. At least the second part seems true still.

PS
Someone give a THF a rod so they can True Strike an Aura Pot... I wanna see.

I smiled reading that quoted section. Thf has come a long way.

Also I saw tests with the rod from a thf. Eudon had one since before the glitch fix (he's on another server now). It was a high number but I guess not amazing enough for me to remember. High 1k's maybe flirting with 2k?

Isn't Feint like a -300 Evasion bonus or something? Why SE would give you that broken an ability (on a 3 minute timer now no less) is beyond me.

When we least expect it, it's feint to get the alter. Joking

[MillionDollarMan]

This is alot more kills then the wall way.

[Apelila]

This is alot more kills then the wall way.

The wall way still took forever and a day, and was only done 3-4 times (iirc) before GMs would jail you for it.