Absolute Virtue ~ 9/8/08

[dejet]

oh and lower the drop rates too, shit is crazy.

No! You want to nerf the mob do it, however i am all for high ass drop rates on a mob that people have a hard time killing lol(if its nerfed i mean)

[dejet]

common man, because as they sell them and buy more Krakens, more and more AVs will come down bringing the supply of AV items way up, and thus dropping the price.
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You would think that, but up till this update the price of hagun has not moved(read gone up!)So no in this game more of the same item does not mean the price is going to drop. If your linkshell can get someone to buy it for 70mil why would you sell it at the 5mil price that i can pay?

[MillionDollarMan]

I love how people act like the Zerg is a "Push the win button" fight. There is so much organization that goes into it and timing and preparation.

We went in with 6 k clubs, 7 more m kris/ridill drks. The first 2 times we got our face owned off by him with setting up songs/sacing/drain2/killing jol/feint/job abilities/engaging.

Point being is even with 15 kraken drks, this fight is easily lost without the exact right preparation.

It really takes no skill. The only organization it took was for SA to do it and everyone else to follow.

[Seraph]

oh and lower the drop rates too, shit is crazy.

The drop rate is already 0% for you, since you can't kill it. Negative droprates you say? Doesn't that destroy the universe, like dividing by zero?

[Belkin]

It really takes no skill. The only organization it took was for SA to do it and everyone else to follow.

I'll agree. It's not exactly hard to rotate 3 BRDs, have an outside puller bring a dolphin and call for help on it for Drain II, then engage at the right time. If your LS has a problem handling this (Not saying you do), then I'm sorry for you guys.

Regardless of whether you think its justifiable or not, Zerg is the "Easy Button".

[SamanosukeShiva]

<3 easy button

[Jackyl]

So........... if it's so easy..... then go do it. Nobody is stopping you. Really. Well, maybe with the exception of SE in roughly 42 minutes, but that's a whole different tale.

[Correction]

I have no problem with him being zergable, the only problem i see is the top tier linkshells appear to be getting gear'd up very quickly, which means they will just start selling it for ridiculous amounts soon, and then you get your average assholes IGE'ing on record numbers to buy these "rare" items and the top tier linkshell comes away with hundred millions of gil.

while your average legit player can struggle to make 50k/hour... im not against selling rare/ex and/or just rare items either, but the drops rates, and the 100% pop make it crazy to allow this NM to be killed so easily by only a handful of ls's per server, it will just make the poor, poorer and the rich, richer.

In a ideal world they will make it so it is a challenge to kill him, with a balanced set up, taking 1-2hours with a real chance he just might exceed the 2hour window, oh and lower the drop rates too, shit is crazy.

You really don't know anything about economics do you. Your answer to 'the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer' is 'make rare items even more rare' and you don't see anything wrong with that?

[oldoldman]

So........... if it's so easy..... then go do it. Nobody is stopping you. Really. Well, maybe with the exception of SE in roughly 42 minutes, but that's a whole different tale.

Make butthurt comments all you like but I honestly find it to be an incredible waste of money that people own an item like Kraken Club so that they can kill 1 mob. Every other mob in the game (Save PW maybe) can be killed without it so basically your investing 30-40 million each into killing one mob and making the rest of the zergable fights faster, not even easier, just faster.

[zoobernut]

So........... if it's so easy..... then go do it. Nobody is stopping you. Really. Well, maybe with the exception of SE in roughly 42 minutes, but that's a whole different tale.

It is not that simple. I hate it when people over simplify what some one else is saying to this degree. Did it not occur to you that people are not complaining that it is easy they are complaining that it is easy IF you have the capitol and the manpower to put together an army of drks with KC's. This is just like the whole argument with kings. Camping for 3 hours and trying to claim is not supposed to be the challenge, the fight itself should be the challenge. In this case getting together a bunch of Kraken clubs and Ridills and MK's should not be the most challenging part of fighting AV the fight itself should be.

I do not think that KC drks and the zerg method should be nerfed at all I just think there is some validity to the argument that something is not balanced and there should be another way to take down AV.

[Tricen]

Why would you want to save PW. Don't you want it dead?

[abbeylee]

all these loser Linkshells needed to have AV nerfed. Buncha losers if you ask me. Why couldn't you beat AV before? Stop beating your chest and go get a life because you failed at FFXI, you had to have a mob nerfed before you could win L A W L .

Can you beat AV now? And does that mean Bahamut makes us "lawl" because we zerg it? No, it just means that we didn't attempt before because we didn't want retards standing around saying "zomg we just saw 'Enter name of LS here' wipe to AV lolololol." Not only that, but it's not worth trying to fight before when we don't know how to win and wasting linkshell time and experience. So, stop your crying because you can't get in a ls that can kill AV and read the posts or gtfo.

edit: Also, since when is AV the only fight you zerg? KV, Bahamut, Vrtra, just to name a few.

[Demosthenes11]

I'll agree. It's not exactly hard to rotate 3 BRDs, have an outside puller bring a dolphin and call for help on it for Drain II, then engage at the right time. If your LS has a problem handling this (Not saying you do), then I'm sorry for you guys.

Regardless of whether you think its justifiable or not, Zerg is the "Easy Button".

and it's not hard to have 2 tanks and some healers + support hit a few buttons and tank while some DDs hit a few other buttons and kill something. Zerging takes as much "skill" in this game as other stuff (gotta know preparation, have knowledge about the game (what to equip) and have the equips to pull it off). There isn't any part of this game that is rocket science anymore.

I'd call sending in a pld with a brd, rdm, and whm, with a few DD the "easy button"

[oldoldman]

I don't really have any problem with people zerging stuff but it's kind of annoying to see them say it was as hard as doing something the real way. Take B2 for example, there is so much more to a real B2 fight that if you tried to make the same argument there you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

[TB]

This thread is entertaining.

[Demosthenes11]

I don't really have any problem with people zerging stuff but it's kind of annoying to see them say it was as hard as doing something the real way. Take B2 for example, there is so much more to a real B2 fight that if you tried to make the same argument there you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Really? You gotta stun -ga (gotta cs stun in zerg), dispel some buffs (hard guyz), use poison pots on vrtra pop (wtf impossible shit) and throw some blm at some dragons.

I fail to see the difficulty compared to a zerg

[Kenji]

and it's not hard to have 2 tanks and some healers + support hit a few buttons and tank while some DDs hit a few other buttons and kill something. Zerging takes as much "skill" in this game as other stuff (gotta know preparation, have knowledge about the game (what to equip) and have the equips to pull it off). There isn't any part of this game that is rocket science anymore.

I'd call sending in a pld with a brd, rdm, and whm, with a few DD the "easy button"

In 30 seconds, AV can maybe get off one 2-hour ability, if you kinda suck at planning.

If we assume that SE means AV to be fought over the course of 40-60 minutes, that's a lot more 2 hour abilities and attacks that go off.

The more attacks and 2 hours Av gets off, the greater the chance for him to wipe you.

Thus, a 30 second fight is safer. Going the safe route, can also be called going the easy route. Because the other route (40-60 minute fight) is far more dangerous and requires a helluva lot more teammwork (assuming you perfectly deal with, and recover from, each ability AV throws at you).

[Demosthenes11]

oh right, forgot we are supposed to live and kill through meteor spam and bene

[Anira]

In 30 seconds, AV can maybe get off one 2-hour ability, if you kinda suck at planning.

If we assume that SE means AV to be fought over the course of 40-60 minutes, that's a lot more 2 hour abilities and attacks that go off.

The more attacks and 2 hours Av gets off, the greater the chance for him to wipe you.

Thus, a 30 second fight is safer. Going the safe route, can also be called going the easy route. Because the other route (40-60 minute fight) is far more dangerous and requires a helluva lot more teammwork (assuming you perfectly deal with, and recover from, each ability AV throws at you).

Considering the time it takes to farm sea (my LS doesn't buy pops) then I'd rather go the route of the guaranteed victory with drops then an almost guaranteed (with no info) loss without drops. Also zerging AV is not easy- it requires a precision many linkshells don't have. If you're off on your timing by even a few seconds it will probably cost you the win against AV.

If anyone wants to say we took the easy route, i'm fine with that, but we have the items and in my opinion getting there is more important then how we got there.

[Virtuous Saint]

People need to stop lying to themselves, zerging does NOT take any skill other than organization, how how sad you are if you believe it does.