WS Quest

[Seraph]

[Stuff]

I also hate when people agree that something is wrong, but sit and do nothing. Shouldnt we try to change it if we can?

Look what I have got mad it, its the comments from the people here as in they just like to just take what is given them and think they should be happy for whatever you get. I think people forget we are the customers and SE is supposed to service us, not the other way around.

[Stuff]

I really don't know how some people in this game survive in real life.

You don't seem to understand my point that no matter what, it seems to take weeks and weeks of reasonable effort to get these weaponskills. That seems to be the intent. Most people can't sit nonstop like you can and just crank away at crabs. It's awesomesauce that you can play <Crab><Battle> all day at work and at home for days on end, but most people just don't do that. How long does it take a normal person to do thousands of weaponskills worth of points? Weeks, maybe even months.

PROTIP: THESE WEAPONSKILLS ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE A LARGE TIME INVESTMENT TO OBTAIN, NO MATTER HOW YOU GO ABOUT GETTING THEM.

You can't just cry until things change. You think it takes a long time trying to get 16000 WS points? Just wait how long it takes to get something that isn't obviously a code error changed by SE. There is a definate pattern to the Cleared Floor / WS points needed ratio, I don't see them changing it anytime soon.

We have many things that are simple to get in this game, and some things that are harder. I don't think the weaponskills require an unreasonable level of effort to get considering they are supposed to be somewhat elite. SE wanted most people to eventually be able to get them, and im sure given time most people will. The Mythic Weapons, on the other hand...

Which reminds me, there is an alternative option for you to get your Weaponskill! Just get the PUP Mythic Weapon! That shouldn't take much............oh wait.

[ninjafox]

Can we get this stickied?

[Shufflesx]

"They don't sit and whine for HOURS, they get the job done instead, which is more constructive."

Those people are called followers.

the smart people adjust the job so that it can be done more efficient. Well I know you are not management.

[Tempyst]

Says the guy who has sat there like a drone for how many hours on end doing the very clearly less efficient route? If you think SE is going to change anything you're deluded

and please, spare me your stupid bullshit, whining isn't being assertive, it's being a drippy annoying pussy

[Tempyst]

Shufflesx what do you manage that you have time to sit there and do 120000 weaponskills? I'm curious

[Seraph]

the smart people adjust the job so that it can be done more efficient. Well I know you are not management.

No, the smart people realize that not everything can be changed through the power of complaining, and sometimes to achieve things you have to work at them.

I want to see you complain yourself into becoming an all star athlete, or a top scientist in their field.

Do you manage people all day? Seems to follow the belief you have in 'More Talk, Less Action!' ._.

[Tempyst]

I think if you were the super manager you say you are you could manage 5 people for 10 or so runs over the course of 2 weeks to reduce your work load by over 600%

[Dimmauk]

Nice try but I hardly bitch in ls chat. I have already proved that I can post 3 postive things and say one negative and people will ignore the postive and only focus on the negative.

Actually I bet SE does change this, next big update it will change.

My bitching comes at people acting like its just some simple thing to do for everyone to just go up the floors, it is not. Different people have different time restrictions, not sure why poeple just dont understand that.

I also hate when people agree that something is wrong, but sit and do nothing. Shouldnt we try to change it if we can?

Look what I have got mad it, its the comments from the people here as in they just like to just take what is given them and think they should be happy for whatever you get. I think people forget we are the customers and SE is supposed to service us, not the other way around.

I always thought the way nyzul was setup in the beginning was stupid that only one person gets record, people in my ls bitch at me for having an opinion, SE changes it because they realize it needed adjusting.

I complained that the campaign point requirment getting more and more the longer you dont do campaign was stupid because you penalized peopel for going on vacation or doing other new content that may come out in a patch. SE changed that, they realized it was wrong.

Not agreeing with something that SE does is not complaining, people are allowed to have an opinion, its just that people in this game think that if you go against what SE has done, then it must be bitching.

I really don't know how some people in this game survive in real life.

How do you survive in RL?

I'm glad you arent in my LS.

[Callisto]

If someone can't find the time to put forward 3.5 hours a week towards assault for a month, then yes, they probably don't deserve to have the same WS as those who do the event, or at least not as easily.

14 hours of total assault time if your group is horrible vs. over twice that doing WS points isn't really a tough choice.

[Seraph]

[Stuff]

You know, this bothers me too. There are posts where you have good ideas, good information, and are very supportive of others.

And then you make your rant posts saying the same thing, over and over. You state your opinion like it's fact, and assume because you don't like it there must be change. You will obviously never agree with me, and never understand how silly I find some of your posts.

Reductio ad absurdum. The world does not revolve around your Automation.

[Shufflesx]

First of all, nowhere, I cried, its terms like this that get me pissed off and ranting.

I believe the amount is overboard, infact I would bet the majority of people thing its overboard.

so, you saying, if the majority of people think that its too much, then we should just do it and say nothing? Is that how you live in your real life?

Do you see nothing wrong with this, do you not see that sending comments to SE stating that you feel that this is too much and it should be reduced is whining and crying?

I have no idea how you can come to that conclusion?

do you bitch about gas prices? or do you feel good for the oil companies, keep gouging us and I will keep paying.

I just really don't get how people have become so relaxed and willing to just accept everything without discussion, negotiation. And I am sick of people automatically call people that go against what is out there a whiner. Imagine thoughout history if people did that, where would we be. ANd yes this is a game but just because its not as important doesnt mean you shouldnt try and make changes.

The more SE does things like this, the less casual players join, the more quit and in time, you have no game to play? And look at the expansion, you cant argue that there is alot less then what we use to get, and why? because SE knows that they can get away with it and people will just accept it. Maybe you are fine with being a follower, and all the power to you, but I enjoy creating change, to make things better for everyone.

If SE said, hey, it has come to our attention the ws points seem too high, and we are going to lower it to 3k, would you say, damn you SE put it back, or would you be glad people approached se on this to change it?

[Tempyst]

I mean seriously if you are some hot shot management type, maybe you're familiar with something called cost-benefit analysis? It's a very low level concept, basically you weigh in what your options are, and what will get you the most benefit for the cost of doing each option, and usually take the option that has the best cost to benefit ratio.

Very rarely (if ever) does "complain incessantly about something out of your control" factor into this equation.

[Tempyst]

Please keep flexing your Che Guevara muscle, I'm rather happy with the fact that I put in effort to get my WS instead of complaining and now I have it (and you don't)

[Callisto]

Generally in my business practices if 97% of my customers are fine with everything and 3% are shitting on the rug I tell the 3% to shut the hell up and take their money elsewhere.

[Shufflesx]

"Shufflesx what do you manage that you have time to sit there and do 120000 weaponskills? I'm curious"

Actually when I did all my points I was home from work for 4 days lying on my couch with a rib injury, laptop on my coffee table semi afk while watching tv.

And I do well in real life, I would bet alot more successful then the majority if not everyone on this board actually.

Callisto you think that 97% of the poeple are fine with this many ws points, the majority of people i talk to and read on forums all agree its way too much.

[Callisto]

Callisto you think that 97% of the poeple are fine with this many ws points, the majority of people i talk to and read on forums all agree its way too much.

Quit reading Alla and KI then.

[Seraph]

I just really don't get how people have become so relaxed and willing to just accept everything without discussion, negotiation. And I am sick of people automatically call people that go against what is out there a whiner. Imagine thoughout history if people did that, where would we be. ANd yes this is a game but just because its not as important doesnt mean you shouldnt try and make changes.

This isn't a political debate. People are annoyed because you are complaining about how difficult this task is without seriously attempting all of your options.

You know how annoying it is do work hard at completing Nyzul and then see someone crying "I can't! It's so hard! Noone will help me!" and they expect some magical change because they don't like it?

Stop complaining, and try.

[Seraph]

And I do well in real life, I would bet alot more successful then the majority if not everyone on this board actually.

This makes you sound like a complete prick, and is half the reason noone has pity for you. If you respond 'I don't want your pity" why are you even posting here in the first place?

[Dimmauk]

First of all, nowhere, I cried, its terms like this that get me pissed off and ranting.

I believe the amount is overboard, infact I would bet the majority of people thing its overboard.

so, you saying, if the majority of people think that its too much, then we should just do it and say nothing? Is that how you live in your real life?

Do you see nothing wrong with this, do you not see that sending comments to SE stating that you feel that this is too much and it should be reduced is whining and crying?

I have no idea how you can come to that conclusion?

do you bitch about gas prices? or do you feel good for the oil companies, keep gouging us and I will keep paying.

I just really don't get how people have become so relaxed and willing to just accept everything without discussion, negotiation. And I am sick of people automatically call people that go against what is out there a whiner. Imagine thoughout history if people did that, where would we be. ANd yes this is a game but just because its not as important doesnt mean you shouldnt try and make changes.

The more SE does things like this, the less casual players join, the more quit and in time, you have no game to play? And look at the expansion, you cant argue that there is alot less then what we use to get, and why? because SE knows that they can get away with it and people will just accept it. Maybe you are fine with being a follower, and all the power to you, but I enjoy creating change, to make things better for everyone.

If SE said, hey, it has come to our attention the ws points seem too high, and we are going to lower it to 3k, would you say, damn you SE put it back, or would you be glad people approached se on this to change it?

I actually agree that the amount of WS needed is insanely stupid, but that is why I'm going to work on my Disc more. I'll also do some WS inbetween, but I wont let this WS kill me or make me crazy. I'm not gunna bitch about either, just leisurely get it done sometime. I still have Vorpal sword and Brave Blade chillin in my mog locker.

[Shufflesx]

so the only thing i have complained about is too many points for ws.

most people seem to agree the points are too much.

ok, I doubt i will get anywhere, I will only come back if i have more news on points.

you people enjoy yourself.

seraph every day this week i have logged on, asked ls members, asked friends to try and get together, I am trying, not sure why you dont think i have. It is all I have been doing.