WS Quest

[Tahngarthor]

floor obtained teh weapon is irrelevant, that information isn't stored anywhere. You can obtain a weapon on floor 100 with a floor 0 disc and I can pretty much guarantee you it will take the full 14000.

[Valkrish]

floor obtained teh weapon is irrelevant, that information isn't stored anywhere. You can obtain a weapon on floor 100 with a floor 0 disc and I can pretty much guarantee you it will take the full 14000.

correct

also!

Leaden salute: Floor 60 2020 ws points and! Unlocked.

[Xanthe]

Leaden salute: Floor 60 2020 ws points and! Unlocked.

Hand count or WSChecker?

[Hanyoko]

The people using WSChecker, need to remember to wait a little bit of time and zone to get the 'real' count.

[SamanosukeShiva]

so minimal floor access of getting the WS is floor20?

[Seraph]

so minimal floor access of getting the WS is floor20?

No, my understanding is that you can get the WSs before floor 20, it just takes an insane number of WSs to accomplish it. Depending on just how low your disk is, it can apparently be more than 10000 WS points to unlock the WSs.

[Xanthe]

The people using WSChecker, need to remember to wait a little bit of time and zone to get the 'real' count.

Waiting isn't necessary, only zoning.

[Dohorehn]

No, my understanding is that you can get the WSs before floor 20, it just takes an insane number of WSs to accomplish it. Depending on just how low your disk is, it can apparently be more than 10000 WS points to unlock the WSs.

who's willing to confirm this! for science!

[Suteru]

who's willing to confirm this! for science!

I would but so far only COR weapon and that's a lot of bullets that I don't have money for ; ;

[Fwahm]

14,000 for floor 0 and 12.000 for either floor 5 or 10 are confirmed IIRC

[Aselin]

It's already been confirmed by a Japanese player that was posted earlier that Floor 5 equals exactly 12,000 points. And, that player got Stringing Pummel.

14,000 is Floor 0.

According to a previous post, you can use this as reference for approximate points needed:

100 250
95  500
90  625 (680, 680) -- 8.8% off
85  750 (700) -- 6.7% off
80  875 (859, 900, 1111) -- 1.8%, 2.9%, and 27% off
75  1093
70  1312
65  1531
60  1750 (1715) -- 2% off
55  2187 (2250, 2320) -- 2.9%, 6.1% off
50  2625
45  3062 (2625, 2645) -- 14.3%, 13.6% off
40  3500 (2800, 3525, 3521, < 3600--floor jump) -- 20%, 0.7%, 0.6% off
35  4375 (4640) -- 6.1% off
30  5250 (5316, < 5511--floor jump) -- 1.3% off
25  6125 (6103) -- 0.4% off
20  7000 (7045) -- 0.6% off
15  8750 ( > 8596)
10  10500
5   12250 (12000) -- 2% off
0   14000

I've been putting the numbers into Excel, but still can't figure out a working equation to this, yet.

[Fwahm]

Aselin, here's an additional data point.

Floor 39
4000 points (exactly using WS counter)

[Phobia]

King's Justice
Disk saved at floor 50:
WS until obtained according to calculator: 2722

[Dyterium]

The people using WSChecker, need to remember to wait a little bit of time and zone to get the 'real' count.

Just to clarify with regards to my above post, I was checking the WS list after each fight. After it appeared on the list I stopped using weapon skills, finished off the mob, logged out and logged back in (which may or may not constitute as 'zoning', but certainly does allow you to refresh the WeaponChecker list accurately). It appeared after closing out a light skillchain, so 4635 was a no-go, but 4640 was. So the total points needed must be 4636-4640. Again, this is with a runic disc on floor 35. Strange to log out without first getting to see the thing, but I wanted to preserve the data for the screencap.

Also, I was pretty sure floor obtained was a moot point by now, but figured I would include it for good measure since my 'current floor' and 'WS points' data matched up exactly with the Insurgency post a few pages back, but the weapon was obtained on different floors.

Congrats to all those unlocking these weapons! And extra cheers to those doing it with runic discs at the lower floors!! It certainly takes some dedication.

[Fwahm]

Logging does NOT update the weapon skill checker.

[Dyterium]

Actually, I'm 99.9% sure that it does. I'm not sure why else I would hit the 'Scan Inventory' prior to logging out and display the same values as when I first zoned in. Then log out, log back in, hit 'Scan Inventory' and have a completely different value which accurately reflects the number of skillchains completed (I was ticking off Light SC's by hand in tandem with the application).

I'm at work right now, but I can easily test this when I get home later...

[Enygma55]

100 250
95 500
90 625 (680, 680) -- 8.8% off
85 750 (700) -- 6.7% off
80 875 (859, 900, 1111) -- 1.8%, 2.9%, and 27% off
75 1093
70 1312
65 1531
60 1750 (1715) -- 2% off
55 2187 (2250, 2320) -- 2.9%, 6.1% off
50 2625
45 3062 (2625, 2645) -- 14.3%, 13.6% off
40 3500 (2800, 3525, 3521, < 3600--floor jump) -- 20%, 0.7%, 0.6% off
35 4375 (4640) -- 6.1% off
30 5250 (5316, < 5511--floor jump) -- 1.3% off
25 6125 (6103) -- 0.4% off
20 7000 (7045) -- 0.6% off
15 8750 ( > 8596)
10 10500
5 12250 (12000) -- 2% off
0 14000



From using the numbers I've deduced a pattern in the calculations.
From floor 0-20 it starts at 14000 and declines a steady 1750.
Once it hits floor 20 the decline value cuts in half effectively 875.

This holds true until the next big floor aka 40, where again the declining value cuts in half once more 437.5.
Next decline value = 218.75.
This seems to hold true all the way up to floor 80. After that they probably just spaced it out accordingly.

[Fwahm]

I've tried logging out and in the same way you have, and every time I got no difference in the WS number until I actually zoned.

[Seraph]

It might have been answered already, but I figured I would double check anyway.

Do WS points in Nyzul itself count? My assumption was that since their is no 'level cap' in place, and the mobs all give EXP and are EP or higher, I was good to go. I am hearing conflicting reports from friends though, especially on the ITG mobs.

Anyone happen to have tested this already with the little WS checker tool? I don't trust the handcount answers anymore considering the apparent margin of error it creates.

[Dyterium]

I've tried logging out and in the same way you have, and every time I got no difference in the WS number until I actually zoned.

Hmm... Perhaps it varies depending on OS or some other external factor. I was definitely getting an updated number upon logout/login though.

EDIT to add: I used the Radiant Lance for one Nyzul run and noted using the application an increase of about 25 points. So you can gain points from the mobs in there. Whether you get anything from the NM's or not, I am not sure.