New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Kirschy]

I just wanted to post a small update /w Insurgency. I won't have the time to run more tests on for a bit~ But I did play around /w it @ Ein tonite and the damage was alright, but lower than Guillotine.

I spoke /w Stan from Excellence who feels it was sub-par to guillotine during his Ein, and roughly around the same average as Catastrophe in his merit pt.

I have a strong feeling that there's a hidden way to increase the damage on the WS... but atm it's not very useful aside from it's skillchain properties.

[eva00r]

Vidohunir(BLM WS) - Didn't see it mentioned anywhere else really. Unlocked it today and did a little testing on the Magic def down.

Spammed Blizz for 65 damage. Used weapon skill. Same mob. Spammed Blizz some more for 71 damage.

Weapon Skill itself damage was pretty weak(186 and 245). Didn't use it but twice though, so could be wrong.

Taru BLM/RDM vs. Ep Yags in Saruta(s). Had haste and accy gear on at the time.

Did a little testing outside in Saruta on level 1's. Naked did 2 for 450 damage exactly each time. Put on Errant Body(-7 STR/DEX/VIT/AGI +10 INT/MND/CHR) and I got a 480.

Vidohunir -> Steel Cyclone = Distortion

Can you conclude this is -10 MDB effect ?

Errant Body can't really specify the mod that is INT or MND or CHR ... please test with some rings.

[FailureMidgard]

Can you conclude this is -10 MDB effect ?

Errant Body can't really specify the mod that is INT or MND or CHR ... please test with some rings.

It's a decent approximation...need to know what job the Yag was, and how much mattk he had to be sure...

[Ryuushin]

There's a lot of pages in this topic and I don't have time to read all the posts so sorry if this has been said.

I was breaking the PLD sword along with my friend who was using WAR Gaxe. We were messing around with the SCs once we got our respective WS and

King's Justice -> Vorpal Blade = X
King's Justice -> Swift Blade = X
King's Justice -> Salvage Blade = X

King's Justice -> Atonement = Light, vice versa too

I accidentally posted in the WS quest, sorry

[Izzy]

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6769/mystic1wd8.jpg

They are gonna gimp the fuck out of this...I know it. That's almost my ENTIRE MP pool back after doing one WS.

It has a MND based modifier, I don't know how to test what % it is. It doesn't chain with anything. I don't know what gorget you should use with it...nor do I know how to test it.

[Tricen]

Don't think Spirit Takers chains either.

[eva00r]

^^^ List me your equip, TP, subjob and please spam ws for 10 more times.

Mystic Boon is already confirmed that it has no chain property.

[Izzy]

^^^ List me your equip, TP, subjob and please spam ws for 10 more times.

Mystic Boon is already confirmed that it has no chain property.

I have a Mjollnir and every piece of WHM equipment you could want to melee in Q_Q. That was at 100% TP, perdu offhand.

[Ace-o-fire]

hey izzy anyone in BC get the drakesbane ws yet? Been looking for a comparison between penta /skewer/ wheeling and drakesbane.

[eva00r]

I know that Spirit Taker can proc double attack or triple attack. Do you have Brutal on you or w/e ?

[Zumi]

I know that Spirit Taker can proc double attack or triple attack. Do you have Brutal on you or w/e ?

I was helping Izzy test his WS and he was doing pretty consistent damage. That wasn't some odd double or triple proc.

[Lasareth]

Just to confirm some stuff...

Vidohunir is a magic WS subject to boosts by your MAB and reduction of mobs' MDB; it can go through invincible.

Can you conclude this is -10 MDB effect ?

Errant Body can't really specify the mod that is INT or MND or CHR ... please test with some rings.

The effect is between 10 and 15 mdb reduction, it's hard to tell exactly, but my Thunder 4 damage on a colibri in East ronfaure [s] was boosted from 905 to 996 before and after the WS.

Int boosts damage significantly. Swapping from haste equipment to int equipment increased damage by over 50 on decent challenges.

The weapon skill is awfully consistent, I wouldn't doubt if there's another funky factor in damage calculation, but so far I can't find anything.

[docviciouss]

So I've been toying around with Perdu GA and King's Justice. for just about all day today. I noticed some peculiar things about it. FIrst off I used my RR build to start off with KJ and It didn't seem to make much of a difference on xp mobs, Did Dynamis xarcabard and and got anywhere from 100-1300 on demons, to 2k on DL. So it's hard to say if STR is a modifier for this ws, but I won't rule it out, since it could just be a relatively small amount. The strange thing I did notice however was how constant my Damage with the ws was while berserk was active(Now I have full merrits in berserk since GA wielders don't really need the acc from aggressor all to often) constant of 1k-1.8k damage per ws. Without berserk active I was getting anywhere from 400-800 depending on if i missed the first hit with the rare 1k. I don't think berserk can make that much of a difference since my RR were doing from 1k-1.6k without berserk up. The second thing I noticed was how rare a Double attack is with Kings Justice, I'm not the greatest warrior around but my RR tend on average to give 20-21 TP return per use, however with KJ It was nine times out of ten a 18TP return with 20-21 TP returns only when using Warriors Charge. Just some things to look at since i'm not all that great with this kind of stuff and none of this done via parser just a full day of testing it out.

[eva00r]

Studio Gobli verified
King's Justice FTP mod = 1.0@100 TP, 1.5@300TP, STR 50% modifier

[Mertron]

Played around with Expiacion in sea today, verifying solo darkness through Expi > Vert Cleave.

Just got Insurgency, took it to campaign battle just to see how it looks, and was surprised that I closed Light a couple times with it (no way to tell what opened it with all the spam). So yeah, DRK can close light with scythe now.

Also, fully buffed 300tp Insurgency on a too weak Ladybug did 1400ish. Meh.

Edit: Confirmed, Savage Blade > Insurgency = Light, Dragon Kick > Insurgency = Light

[Ahlah]

Raging Rush has 35% STR modfier compared to King's Justice 50%, which makes me think some of these new weapon skills are tied to ZNM drops?

Pachipahio - Tachi: Rana
Foolkiller - King's Justice?

FK may be the better choice for King's Justuce if ppl can figure out how the latent effect works. Will be fun if the latent of foolkiller is actually activated by using King's Justice X)

BST WS is also quite interesting, CHR based WS has been suggested in BST forum, and finally a valid reason to get Skadi's Cuirie.

[eva00r]

Fool Killer - Latent actives when you have the title obtained by killing stupid troll king on your head, if i recall correctly.

[Lebzile]

inb4AVstyleWSspeculation- er. Nevermind.

But, since Atonement obviously has an enmity mod which is new to WSes iirc, what if Tachi: Rana had some stupid mod that dealt with how much STP you have? I know, I'm stretching it, but that could also be a reason why Pachi seems to do more. The same with the other WSes, like maybe Insurgency has something to do with Souleater or Last Resort. Maybe something with songs for Bard's WS, ect.


Doubt it's that though.

[Ahlah]

Fool Killer - Latent actives when you have the title obtained by killing stupid troll king on your head, if i recall correctly.

It was first reported by some jp website but has since been removed. Don't think any1 has figured out how it's activated yet.

[Drex]

I know, I'm stretching it, but that could also be a reason why Pachi seems to do more.

7 more base damage and +12 attack on a multi-hit WS, combined with a weak TP mod on Rana to negate the usefulness of hagun's TP bonus

Even if it had a Store TP mod, I really doubt +2 would make a noticeable difference