New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Izzy]

Also @ Izzy, assuming it works like normal elemental WS and the above info is correct, could you test it on say Lightsday and see if you get 10% procs?

Do I need a gorget/obi on for it to proc or do elemental weaponskills always get a 10% boost on their corresponding day without gear?

[Sekkite]

Weaponskills can't triple proc . If they could that woulda done 1750 damage lol. (damage x 2.5)

Does the offhand hit increase the damage of it like it would on a normal WS?

[Callisto]

Not sure myself, I asked in RQT if obis worked for magic WS' and everyone said no, but I would assume if you do it on lightsday 20 times and it does consistent 700s with a few 770s then we can probably go from there. I want to try LS using Pluto's later as well.

[Izzy]

Does the offhand hit increase the damage of it like it would on a normal WS?

Yes. I was doing more damage with the Perdu offhand than I was with the Kraken. I need to do more tests to confirm. I only had an hour of testing time last night. I'll post full results later when I get home from work.

[Ophannus]

Well MAB always affected magic ws, thats why BLM using Cyclone always did 400-450 AoE in Ballista as /RDM

[Callisto]

Yes. I was doing more damage with the Perdu offhand than I was with the Kraken. I need to do more tests to confirm. I only had an hour of testing time last night. I'll post full results later when I get home from work.

That part interests me on if it is even considered magical then, as I don't believe base weapon D typically affects magic WS damage, and that's all Perdu would have over Kraken, yes?

[LD]

Att & Acc.

[Izzy]

Att & Acc.

True. Perdu has 15 more attack I think.

[Callisto]

Neither of which should also affect magical WS if I understand correctly.

[LD]

Well, that's the question, isn't it? Whether this works exactly as we think.
In any case, those two stats are the ONLY things on that weapon that could apply to a WS in the off-hand.

[Vail]

not only does elemental WS damage not effected by attack/acc or your weapon's D value, but off hand weapons add no damage.

What you are discribing Izzy is a physical WS.

Use Mystic Boon with only one club equiped and watch your TP gain, then do it again with 2 weapons, (factor in dual wield TP reduce) and see if your getting that extra tp from the offhand hit. (should get like 8tp from clubs? one handed, and 7tp for dual wielding appx, so you should see like 13-14tp return when using dual wield)

[Alistaire]

Not sure myself, I asked in RQT if obis worked for magic WS' and everyone said no, but I would assume if you do it on lightsday 20 times and it does consistent 700s with a few 770s then we can probably go from there. I want to try LS using Pluto's later as well.

Previous "elemental" weaponskills wouldn't have no effect vs magic barrier. Atonement is the first I've ever seen having a "no effect" message, so there's definitely something new with that and maybe more of these, so testing with obi is reasonable.

[Callisto]

Related somewhat to that, while I normally HATEHATEHATE the level 22 bullet CORs, LS may make it situationally useful to carry some around if it's good vs. things like Dynamis statues.

[Byrd]

Did u figure the mods on Death Blossom? I'm curious :O

I haven't. Got home late + Salvage + 2 Assaults for Salvage Points + Tired from staying up late Monday night = very little time for testing. Initial testing showed no big variances in damage regardless of minor gear changes or TP%, I'll try again a bit tonight or quite a bit this weekend if someone else hasn't figured it out first.

[Ophannus]

It lowers magic evasion, it shouldn't deal extra damage based on tp.

[Xanthe]

Better to use Justice Torque since gorgets only affect the first hit?

He only asked what gorgets would work. Never said I'd use one for a multi-hit WS.

The best is just getting the weapon and then deleveling to 74 in dynamis...

It's really hard to delevel when you're 43,999/44,000. 8)

[solsovly]

Are people testing additional effects of the new WS in ballista or getting a message of it wearing from the mob?

[pheonixistari]

not only does elemental WS damage not effected by attack/acc or your weapon's D value, but off hand weapons add no damage.

What you are discribing Izzy is a physical WS.

Use Mystic Boon with only one club equiped and watch your TP gain, then do it again with 2 weapons, (factor in dual wield TP reduce) and see if your getting that extra tp from the offhand hit. (should get like 8tp from clubs? one handed, and 7tp for dual wielding appx, so you should see like 13-14tp return when using dual wield)

Exactly. Spirit Taker, even though it has no elemental properties on the SC chart, is still a physical weapon skill. It can also miss completely as I have had quite a few that miss right when you really need the MP back from Spirit Taker and the damn thing just totally misses. >.< Spirit Taker also stacks with Sneak Attack.

Something like Red Lotus Blade, Seraph Strike, Earth Crusher or Spirits Within does not stack with SA and cannot miss. It can only be resisted.

Mystic Boon may just have super high innate acc but I'm seriously betting that it can still miss. Best way to tell if it is indeed a physical weapon skill is to SA that bitch and see what you get.

Edit: Since this is a new weapon skill though it's not entirely unpossible that this may also have 100% acc like Starlight/Moonlight and possibly Energy Drain/Energy Steal. Maybe not though since Energy Drain/Steal requires a mob to have MP where as Starlight/Moonlight do not.

[Callisto]

Are people testing additional effects of the new WS in ballista or getting a message of it wearing from the mob?

The latter so far, at least in regards to Death Blossom and the NIN WS.

[Suiram]

Just got Vidohunir and did a quick test on the add effect. If it's MDB it's MDB -10 (and not -15 as some speculated earlier), and if it's magic damage taken it's +11% (+29 or 30/256), but my money's on the MDB. There's also a "wears off" message for it as well. Lasted quite a while at 100% TP although I didn't time it.