New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Izzy]

@Izzy
Fill your stomach with Bison Steak before using WS again perhaps?

What is Bison Steak Q_Q? I can't eat meat on WHM TYVM SHITTY CLUB SKILL Q_Q. Besides, if I were to eat meat, Meat Mithakabobs BARLEY cap out my attack...eating courel subs gives me like 3 more attack than Mithakabobs Q_Q

[futan]

So from what I'm gathering, a lot of these are just shiny new eye-candies and are not really worth the effort?

[Therin]

So from what I'm gathering, a lot of these are just shiny new eye-candies and are not really worth the effort?

Absolutely not. All three of my WSes that I've quested are fantastic, and I've yet to get Drakesbane (which is also fantastic). Some of them are crap (like MNK), but well over half are great.

[eva00r]

What is Bison Steak Q_Q? I can't eat meat on WHM TYVM SHITTY CLUB SKILL Q_Q. Besides, if I were to eat meat, Meat Mithakabobs BARLEY cap out my attack...eating courel subs gives me like 3 more attack than Mithakabobs Q_Q

lol, just realized. WHM doesn't have A rating in club skill.

So from what I'm gathering, a lot of these are just shiny new eye-candies and are not really worth the effort?

Absolutely not.

[jibini]

Okay, so... it's possible I've ballsed everything up, since I'm somewhat new to this, but I think I got the fTP of Tachi: Rana at 100% TP to be 1.0.

Conducted tests using Hacchonenbutsu vs. Soboro (since the delay didn't matter and neither has anything else on them). All at 100% TP, naked, sam/thf, using Sneak Attack.

Soboro: Range of 210-220, giving a Base Damage value of 69.
Hacchonenbutsu: Range of 306-320, giving a Base Damage value of 101.

Solving Weapon Skill Damage using those values gives me an fTP of 1.0, and a WSC of 16-17.

My base STR naked is 64, so if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say 25% STR mod.

Testing fTP at other values and mod now.

[eva00r]

That's nice. I'll use 1.0fTP and 25_STR for now.

[jibini]

Slight problems testing WSC, since with Hacchonenbutsu and +20 STR, I've hit values of both 320 and 343...

If the random factor on pDif is 1-1.05, that shouldn't be possible, since 320*1.05 is only 336...

[Amele]

Better to use Justice Torque since gorgets only affect the first hit?

they affect all hits

[VZX]

Okay, so... it's possible I've ballsed everything up, since I'm somewhat new to this, but I think I got the fTP of Tachi: Rana at 100% TP to be 1.0.

Conducted tests using Hacchonenbutsu vs. Soboro (since the delay didn't matter and neither has anything else on them). All at 100% TP, naked, sam/thf, using Sneak Attack.

Soboro: Range of 210-220, giving a Base Damage value of 69.
Hacchonenbutsu: Range of 306-320, giving a Base Damage value of 101.

Solving Weapon Skill Damage using those values gives me an fTP of 1.0, and a WSC of 16-17.

My base STR naked is 64, so if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say 25% STR mod.

Testing fTP at other values and mod now.

25% is a bit awkward, have you consider the level correction to WSC? It might be 30% like most of the other WS

[miokomioko]

they affect all hits

This is not up for debate. At least not here...

[jibini]

25% is a bit awkward, have you consider the level correction to WSC? It might be 30% like most of the other WS

I totally didn't, no. Like I said, somewhat new to this.

Sounds like 30% then, yeah.

Edit:

So... been trying at 200% and 300% TP... and it's definitely not doing anymore than it was at 100%... Didn't someone mention the JP description of Rana being accuracy varying with TP instead of damage?

[Minions]

Absolutely not. All three of my WSes that I've quested are fantastic, and I've yet to get Drakesbane (which is also fantastic). Some of them are crap (like MNK), but well over half are great.

I'm still getting all of them, if not only for being able to do a wider range of skill chains.

[eva00r]

I totally didn't, no. Like I said, somewhat new to this.

Sounds like 30% then, yeah.

Edit:

So... been trying at 200% and 300% TP... and it's definitely not doing anymore than it was at 100%... Didn't someone mention the JP description of Rana being accuracy varying with TP instead of damage?

Yes ENG version got a mistranslation.

[Ahlah]

Elemental WS, doesn't miss, doesn't get an additional attack with dual wield. Shouldn't stack with SA (didn't actually test this). Still no reason for Skadi which is nice cause Osode is much cheaper.

What about resistance? Has it been confirmed that melee acc has no effect on resistance? Spirit within is the only true weapon skill that deals unavoidable damage. Also I think there are some g katana weaponskill that deal elemental damage and still stack with sneak attack?

[Kairos]

Anyone have info on stringing pummel and possible mods, etc? I won't be able to get my inferno claws until saturday.

[Psion]

Chances are its has a dex mod as its a critical hit chance multi hit ws. I hear a lot of pups are doing anywhere from 600-900 in dynamis mobs with it, 1k-1400 on lesser colibri, and thats in mediocre gear with no clue what mods it is. /shrug

All I know is i want my inferno claws now ( ; ; )

[VZX]

I totally didn't, no. Like I said, somewhat new to this.

Sounds like 30% then, yeah.

Inspecting your number again, seems 35% more plausible
64 STR * .35 = 22.4 -> 22
22*.83 = 18

Soboro : 50+12+18 = 70
Haccho : 70+15+18 = 103

Soboro: Range of 210-220, giving a Base Damage value of 69.
Hacchonenbutsu: Range of 306-320, giving a Base Damage value of 101.

Soboro : 70 * 3.0~3.15 = 210~220 *correct*
Haccho : 103*3.0~3.15 = 309~321 *missing 1 base damage on lower bound, upper bound is in range*
Maybe from the first pDIF you didn't get 3.0? (rather 2.98 something)
35% is pretty accurate for now

[eva00r]

Ok Fixed, changed to 35% STR.

[Estelle]

Looks like there's another mistranslation in the English version. I was surprised my japanese friends weren't talking about the slow effect on Mordant Rime so I checked the japanese Wiki and found this in the description of the WS:

追加効果:移動速度ダウン。

It means "reduce movement speed" (as everyone has guessed by now), and there's absolutely no mention of Slow effect whatsoever. I asked another friend who plays with the French version, and he told me that the help text didn't mention Slow either.

Oh, and first post here, hi.

[LD]

Incidentally, how good is the gravity? Is it only like -10% movement, or is it Gradual Petrify right before 0 strong?