New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Callisto]

Yes I have Coffinmaker, I'll try to work on it more tomorrow night, gotta craft more bullets.

[Ayvaen]

I dunno if this helps at all (the data is just listed previously in the thread that I used), and I'm just plugging in numbers and seeing whether the equation with -8 or without was correct, but...

The equation...

2(AGI-INT-8 )+floor(4.53125*(77+[.83*floor(.25*AGI))

...works perfectly. I used the numbers earlier in this thread:

Wild Rabbits outside of sandy, COR/WAR 64 agi w/ only RAcc gear. No neck, 507; Gorget 516. Had one random 517 that I think was without Gorget, not sure what that was all about.

Lv0 Wild Rabbits have 6 INT.

And I got the 507 answer perfectly. First few times it didn't work out right cause I forgot to round.

[kwontess]

I dunno if this helps at all (the data is just listed previously in the thread that I used), and I'm just plugging in numbers and seeing whether the equation with -8 or without was correct, but...

The equation...

2(AGI-INT-8 )+floor(4.53125*(77+[.83*floor(.25*AGI))

...works perfectly. I used the numbers earlier in this thread:




And I got the 507 answer perfectly. First few times it didn't work out right cause I forgot to round.

Of course it was. I designed the formula to fit the data exactly. But it only fits that data which was at 200 TP and with AGI fixed. Unfortunately my numbers tonight were inconsistent. I was getting larger returns on AGI than I have in the past. Not by much but .1 more damage is still something different and unexplainable. I'm afraid something like moon phase is involved or something else entirely rediculous.

[Emorej]

I would like for someone with Stringing Pummel to test out if Pet Maneuvers have any affect. Also, try the ws with an overloaded auto. Ask Ob if you want to know where im getting my hunches.

[Dohorehn]

you may be on to something. the name itself, "stringing" suggests it may have more to do with the actual automaton than we think? try max Automaton HP, aka Valoredge lol.

hopefully, I can unlock this ws this weekend... and Insurgency, and Blade: Kamu, and Expacion, and Primal Rend.. ; ;

[Hyan]

Sounds interesting, might do some tests later today

[Bakthi]

All I have is breeze, it does jin, DE, SB, SW, SS and detonator. I figured I'd never need another gorget

I wish this were true, because I have soil/breeze/snow, but it's not. Detonator is Fusion/Transfixion.

[Emorej]

Your higher damage was with the WHM auto, which doesn't do too much melee damage, barring a MM, and your lower WSs where with the RNG auto, known for doing more damage. Might be a correlation, or could be the different manuvers. Usually keep dark,light, and maybe ice of for whm, and fire,wind,dark for rng. I soo wish I could check these things out myself

[Jiyo]

I did a few tests with Trueflight this morning on rabbits in E.Ron. What I can say right now that AGI is of course a Modifier, by how much I'm not sure. Also, MAB does play a role in Trueflight's damage. Your weapon damage does not effect Trueflights damage, as I got the same numbers using Killerbow and the level 1 Crossbow. Trueflight CAN be used with guns. Here's some of the numbers...

100TP, No gear (Killerbow+Holybolts+M.Kris)
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3...00TPNoGear.png

300TP, No gear (Killerbow+Holybolts+M.Kris)
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3...00TPNoGear.png

100TP, Light Staff
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3...LightStaff.png

100TP, Dark Staff
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3...PDarkStaff.png

100TP, 70+17 AGI
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3...0TPAgiGear.png

100TP, Breeze Gorget
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3...eezeGorget.png

Now with the breeze gorget test, let me explain... The second shot was apparently a "Resist". That was the only resist I got out of all my shots. The third shot was on Lightsday, so the Day/Weather bonus seem to stack with this ws, allowing Obi's to work accordingly.

I did other tests using R.Att, Str, Dex, Vit, Int, and Mnd. None of those stats raised Trueflights damage at all, they all stayed at the base 494~ at 100TP with no gear. Also, piercing bonus does not apply on Trueflight, making me assume it is completely magical. Because of that, I'd guess M.Acc gear would help lower "resists" like I had with that one shot. Trueflight is similar to QD I guess...except it doesn't take into account Weapon+Bullet damage at all.

[Suiram]

The 1-3 point damage variations at 100% TP, coupled with the consistent damage at 300% TP, suggests to me that fTP does rise with decimal incriments of TP (that is, fTP at 100.9% is greater than 100.0%). This is likely true for Leaden Salute as well, explaining why it's been so difficult to nail down the precise formula for it. Gelong Staff should give exactly 10.0% TP per hit, if someone with one or both of these WSs happens to own one. I'm not familiar with ranged TP gain, but maybe there's a gun/bow + ammo combo that could also get you to exactly 100.0%?

[Callisto]

Trueflight snips

I'm wondering if TF and LS are just mirrored formulas for Light and Dark, and if maybe TF is fAGI-MND?

[VZX]

Trueflight test

Thanks for the initial test.

Could you have a BLM cast elemental debuff on the mob before you do the WS? just want to make sure which enemy stats does this WS exactly compare to.
Try Rasp -> WS, Choke ->WS, etc

[Xanthe]

Trueflight test

I'm not a RNG myself, but would be interested to see how Trilling Dagger compares to Light/Apollo's Staff. Reports say the dagger adds 20% to Holy Bolt procs, so if it applies to the WS as well that should beat staves.

[Demonic]

Now PLD BRD RDM can trio Cerberus without Excalibur!

I'd like to see that happen ever >_>

[Seraph]

Has anyone done Gorget testing with Atonement to see if there is any affect? I'm wondering if once I unlock it, I might have to go quest a second Gorget, since just having a Soil Gorget wouldn't cut it anymore for sword.

[jimbobsonofgod]

not sure if this has been posted yet or not to lazy to read through that many threads but bard WS > blade: Ten = Darkness

[Kylen]

I'm wondering if TF and LS are just mirrored formulas for Light and Dark, and if maybe TF is fAGI-MND?

That's what I was thinking, too. INT to resist dark-basd, MND to resist light-based, but besides that the same basic damage formulas.

Has anyone tested Leaden Salute on a Quick Draw-susceptible HNM like Kirin or a Wyrm to see what the resist rate is like?

[Callisto]

Same...umm you think the Wyrm in NW Apollyon is sufficient? Will have double weather to work with too, I could maybe manage that on Saturday.

[kwontess]

The 1-3 point damage variations at 100% TP, coupled with the consistent damage at 300% TP, suggests to me that fTP does rise with decimal incriments of TP (that is, fTP at 100.9% is greater than 100.0%). This is likely true for Leaden Salute as well, explaining why it's been so difficult to nail down the precise formula for it. Gelong Staff should give exactly 10.0% TP per hit, if someone with one or both of these WSs happens to own one. I'm not familiar with ranged TP gain, but maybe there's a gun/bow + ammo combo that could also get you to exactly 100.0%?

Even if thats true, why am I not getting the same numbers with the same setup? Last night with the exact same setup I was getting 3.05 dmg return for each agi at 100.whatever. Its 6 shots with the same gun and ammo (coffinmaker). It wasn't darksday but I was getting that little .09 bonus return for each AGI. I'll see if I can get a gelong, but I still can't figure out why I'm getting a bigger return with the exact same TP.

TF numbers look very similar. I'd wager it is also 2(AGI-MND) if its not 2(AGI-INT).

Its hard to be 100% certain with burn, but I'd say damage definitely decreases by 2 for every INT (or damn close to it). After casting burn which should give -9 INT I was getting 16-18 more damage. However my other computer is on the other side of the room so I have to run over and do LS right after burn meaning the 16 would be a consequence of the decaying nature of burn.

[Callisto]

Even if thats true, why am I not getting the same numbers with the same setup? Last night with the exact same setup I was getting 3.05 dmg return for each agi at 100.whatever. Its 6 shots with the same gun and ammo (coffinmaker). It wasn't darksday but I was getting that little .09 bonus return for each AGI. I'll see if I can get a gelong, but I still can't figure out why I'm getting a bigger return with the exact same TP.

TF numbers look very similar. I'd wager it is also 2(AGI-MND) if its not 2(AGI-INT).

Its hard to be 100% certain with burn, but I'd say damage definitely decreases by 2 for every INT (or damn close to it). After casting burn which should give -9 INT I was getting 16-18 more damage. However my other computer is on the other side of the room so I have to run over and do LS right after burn meaning the 16 would be a consequence of the decaying nature of burn.

Sorry side note, you said you're getting 100% with 6 Coffinmaker shots? Do you have some Store TP or something, as 6 with Martial gives me exactly 100%(well give or take fractions) as well.

Edit: Nvm I for some reason thought the Delay difference was larger, but I'm probably ending up with like .7~ more TP than your or some shit.