New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Izzy]

I'll go hit some level 0 mobs with Mystic Boon and post the damage results. Someone else is going to have to decipher them.

193 +0MND
169 +0MND
181 +0MND
185 +0MND

All with SA+Mystic Boon on Tiny Mandragora. I'm using an 11 damage weapon. Why is this not consistent Q_Q? Do I need to use the Mjollnir?

[Tidane]

On the Lesser Colibri, all of my 4 hit full-TP returns Insurgencys did between 950-1050. I had one 18% TP return for 640 and one that Double Attacked for 1400.

Perdu Sickle and /SAM with Rajas and Brutal.

[Wolfknight]

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6...kesbaneua1.jpg

Yeah. .

Drakesbane is surprisingly consistent and seems to produce stronger results than Penta Thrust assuming you're built well for it.

I'm currently using King's Justice in the same party - I don't think I'm noticing a bonus damage to birds due to the piercing weakness, but it doesn't matter, because King's Justice is also highly consistent and is producing an average WS damage of about 150 above what I remember my Raging Rushes to be (1180 average WS atm).

ok, what gear[str or dex stacking?]/buffs did you use to pull that off cause thats some pretty nice damage there, and what was average ish?

[Rena]

Some quick tests I did with Omniscience

Taru SCH/SAM
Elder Staff D:55

Str 53
Dex 65
Vit 59
Agi 66
Int 75
Mnd 59
Chr 66

Target > Tiny Mandragora's
all tests done at 120TP unless otherwise stated

286 Naked
286 Naked
286 Naked @ 300TP
286 Naked w/Hasso
300 +5 MAB (moldavite)
300 +5 MAB (Y. Gomlek)
286 +4 INT, +15 MP
294 Soil gorget
294 Soil gorget
292 +3 INT, +3 MND (R. pumps)
414 +23 INT, +23 MND, Soil Gorget, MAB +18 w/dark weather
414 +23 INT, +23 MND, Soil Gorget, MAB +18
430 +28 INT, +28 MND, Soil Gorget, MAB +18
430 +28 INT, +28 MND, Soil Gorget, MAB +18 w/earth weather
473 +28 INT, +28 MND, Soil Gorget, MAB +18 w/dark weather
473 +28 INT, +28 MND, +5 STR, Soil Gorget, MAB +18 (hasso)
381 +23 INT, +23 MND, Soil Gorget, MAB +21
338 +26 INT, +21 MND

It seems MND is a modifier, and MAB affects damage, so I am assuming its a magical WS. It switched to darksday during testing, and I got a couple random 10% bonuses compared to the rest of the results, so I think it might be dark based.

I'd say it has a MND_30 mod and 2 fTP, and uses mind difference for additional damage. Tiny Mandragoras have 7 MND (edit: and 6 INT), and these numbers fit ((Lv+2)+MND_30)*2 + dMND*2 perfectly, except for the second last one, which works if it happened on lightsday and got a 10% penalty. Since you said the day changed to darksday, and the day prior to darksday is lightsday, it's possible, and this is probably the formula used.

[Suiram]

Formula looks right, except for two points. First, the bonuses occur earlier and the penalty occurs near the end, suggesting that it's reversed from what you're saying and it's light based, getting the bonus on lightsday and the reduction on darksday. That would also make sense for being MND-based. Although it does bother me that the dark weather didn't elicit a bonus or reduction, aren't the SCH spells 100% proc on weather bonus?

The other thing is its worth using elemental debuffs to double-check that it is MND, just in case it's something like MND - (some other stat that those mandies happen to have 7 of).

[LD]

Storms just give weather, they don't have auto-Obi.

[Rena]

That assumes the numbers are in order, which was never stated, unless I missed something. And no, SCH weather isn't 100% proc.

True, it still needs confirmation on whether it uses target MND to determine damage. It seems the most likely stat, but then again they also have 7 CHR. Either way it should be tested just to make sure, but that shouldn't take long.

[mym]

mym can you do two more tests real fast? One naked sch/blm (just to see what the damage is since your MND might be different), and the second alternating elemental debuffs on the mob so we know which mob stat is used (will probably be MND or INT), and the amount of that stat the mandragoras have.

Naked SCH/BLM

354
354
354
354 - Burn
354 - Frost
354 - Choke
354 - Rasp
369 - Shock
354 - Drown

I have no idea why my naked damage as SCH/SAM was 286, but as SCH/BLM its 354...

My naked stats are

str 55
dex 65
vit 55
agi 68
int 80
mnd 59
chr 66

edit - all these ones were done on Lightningsday

[Fwahm]

Because of MAB?

[Rena]

Damage difference is due to 24 MAB trait. floor(286*1.24) = 354

Seems that is MND vs. MND that is checked, though.

[mym]

Damage difference is due to 24 MAB trait. floor(286*1.24) = 354

Seems that is MND vs. MND that is checked, though.

ah yes, forgot all about the MABII trait from /BLM

[Izzy]

193 +0MND
169 +0MND
181 +0MND
185 +0MND

All with SA+Mystic Boon on Tiny Mandragora. I'm using an 11 damage weapon. Why is this not consistent Q_Q? Do I need to use the Mjollnir?

Anyone have an answer for this yet Q_Q?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Anyone have an answer for this yet Q_Q?

It's a physical WS; the numbers won't be perfectly consistent.

[Izzy]

It's a physical WS; the numbers won't be perfectly consistent.

Then how do people figure out what the modifiers and stuff actually are? I was under the impression that you'd hit a cap when you WS lower level mobs and stuff.

[eva00r]

Anyone have an answer for this yet Q_Q?

You'll need to find max damage that you can do with SA and +0 MND gear then we can determine a base damage one. Make sure no double attack proced. Next, we will need you to equip some +MND gear, like +10 MND, +20 MND and find the max damage with SA again. With this we can determine MND and damage relationship.

If 193 is the max damage that you can't do any further, then the first part is done. However you'll need to tell us what's your base MND is.

A format like this is much appreciated.

XX+0 MND, deals max critical damage = 193.
XX+1 MND, deals max critical damage = XXX.
XX+10 MND, deals max critical damage = XXX.
XX+20 MND, deals max critical damage = XXX.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Then how do people figure out what the modifiers and stuff actually are? I was under the impression that you'd hit a cap when you WS lower level mobs and stuff.

For a very small period of time, things did cap at low levels to produce nice, easy numbers. As of now, we know the pDIF ranges at certain cRatios, which means we can interpret the different numbers you get for a WS. You need to use the WS many, many times to try to find the entire range of possible damage, then do that again with various stat enhancements (MND+20, MND+40, other stats, etc). Then we toss the results into our formulas and out comes some nice fTP and stat mod numbers.

[Izzy]

For a very small period of time, things did cap at low levels to produce nice, easy numbers. As of now, we know the pDIF ranges at certain cRatios, which means we can interpret the different numbers you get for a WS. You need to use the WS many, many times to try to find the entire range of possible damage, then we toss it into our formulas and out comes some nice fTP and stat mod numbers.

Gotcha. I'll do some more WS after Nyzul and see what I can come up with. Is it easier to use a low damage or high damage weapon?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Gotcha. I'll do some more WS after Nyzul and see what I can come up with. Is it easier to use a low damage or high damage weapon?

No real difference, but low DMG weapons should give a smaller range, which is nice.

[Fwahm]

But higher weapons will give the mods to more accuracy once you know the initial range though.

[eva00r]

Need someone to find out BLM WS's -MDB debuff duration. Suspect to be 1/2/3 mins per 100/200/300 TP. Well you need stop watch technology