New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Neosutra]

Most PUPs are pretty psyched to be doing more than 300 damage Weaponskills on Easy Prey for once. This is lovely and all but I haven't seen one Inferno Claws in about 8+ Nyzul runs focusing on weapon hunting. Buncha' bullshit if you ask me!

I'm sure whatever mods Stringing Pummel has, it'll be great and all because at this point we really can't complain, but I'm more interested in the whole MobHP affecting Ascetic's Fury... has anyone done any more extensive testing on perhaps a full HP gnarly NM or the likes?

Alma did some in Einherjar and didnt produce differing results. As of this moment, the WS sux. Untill someone comes back and finds some nice special effect.

[mercure]

"Most PUPs are pretty psyched to be doing more than 300 damage Weaponskills on Easy Prey for once"

most pups are pretty surprised you seem to do 300 damage Weaponskills on Easy Prey ^^

[Durden]

Was meritting today with a MNK friend trying out his new WS, his VIT/Chakra gear was crankin out some high WSs, was a consistent 900 damage, occasionally doing 1600. On Colibri btw

[Khelek]

Was meritting today with a MNK friend trying out his new WS, his VIT/Chakra gear was crankin out some high WSs, was a consistent 900 damage, occasionally doing 1600. On Colibri btw

One of our MNKs was using it in dyna xarc the other day without WS gear. He was avaraging higher than one of our ridillberks's rampages with it. I think his avg was around 420~ without any WS gear. He got some 700+ ones quite often as well.

[Yogehi]

i did 2 self skill chain lights as PLD/NIN with atonement, a tp wing, and savage blade

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...chainlight.png

a normal mob

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...920_035039.png

savage blade on a NM won't do much. but the 1549 damage from atonement and light will do a lot.

[Alistaire]

SEBW Kraken + Switch to scythe + I wing + Insurgency = 10k WS?

Just did SELSBW + Dread Spikes on a Wivre in Grauberg + cured myself a bunch once BW wore, did Insurgency...for 588. Full tp return.

Myth BUSTED.

[arus2001]

Try it without using Blood Weapon? Damage done by the mob as opposed to that caused by SE (which wouldn't apply with BW up, I guess) could be a factor.

[Bozo]

Try it without using Blood Weapon? Damage done by the mob as opposed to that caused by SE (which wouldn't apply with BW up, I guess) could be a factor.

I'd suggest this. Also try it in red HP?

Edit: Those are some really impressive numbers from a PLD using Atonement.

[Ethican]

i did 2 self skill chain lights as PLD/NIN with atonement, a tp wing, and savage blade

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...chainlight.png

a normal mob

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...920_035039.png

savage blade on a NM won't do much. but the 1549 damage from atonement and light will do a lot.

I was under the impression that 2 weaponskills can at best mirror damage on a mob. you solo sc'd and 110% return. Is this a new factor with these weaponskills? Or does that particular NM take more SC dmg?

[Rhealana]

Pretty sure Rugaroo doesn't have any 'vuln to SC or magic'.

Didn't SE say they're changing the behavior of SCs to make them more desireable?

[Vajra]

I did 1400 Insurgency yesterday on Jagidbod of Clan Reaper (was w/ just hasso up only no other buffs plus he have low defense), then it did 2200 light.

Also did a 2100 Insurgency (Souleater, Last Resort, Hasso, ABS STR, ABS VIT) on some Rng Orc, and then 1100 Compression occurred. (interesting too because usually lv 1 SC only does 1/4th dmg of WS, NOT 1/2 (which lv 2 SC does))

[Fwahm]

No, level 1 SCs do 1/2 on closing weapon skill. Level 2s do 3/5s of the closing weapon skill.

The Paladin 95% got a day proc on Light, increasing damage by 10%.

[Ramses]

I was under the impression that 2 weaponskills can at best mirror damage on a mob. you solo sc'd and 110% return. Is this a new factor with these weaponskills? Or does that particular NM take more SC dmg?

No, years ago I would occasionally close with spinning slash in exp and get double the damage from light. It was rare, but it's always been that way. Was really nice to do a 1200 spinning slash and see light do 2400. The mob's hp bar would just disappear.

[hexagram23]

Niloc over on KI posted something odd about Insurgency. He's the same guy that posted the pic of 1700 non-buffed Insurgency on LAC, which was one of the first pics of the weird spike damage it does.

He said he did LAC a couple days ago....the first Insurgency did 900ish, then he popped a TP wing, got hit with AOE for about 500ish....his next Insurgency did 1500 or so damage, which is obviously much higher than the one just before it.

He had the same buffs on for both WSs, no DA proc, nothing out of the ordinary aside from getting hit with AOE.

He did a test last night, fought Colibris until he was low on HP, then tried Insurgency on the same mob to see if the damage dealt to him boosted the next WS. Didn't work. Possibly only large amounts of damage dealt to a DRK boost the WS, 400+ damage at once, or maybe only specifically TP based attacks....or it could all just be a huge coincidence.

Anyway, it's something to check out.

[Xanthe]

It's the day or weather bonus... How many times people gonna ask this? lol

[Ramses]

I have not had time to test this at all, but a lot of the damage spikes for insurgency seem to come against arcana. This would be dumb if it is the big bonus to insurgency, but I guess it's possible. I'm busy this whole weekend if someone else wants to test this.

[hexagram23]

I don't think Chariots are Arcana are they? Granted I have limited experience with fighting them but I've never intimidated one and they aren't listed as Arcana anywhere that I've seen.

[Ramses]

I don't think Chariots are Arcana are they? Granted I have limited experience with fighting them but I've never intimidated one and they aren't listed as Arcana anywhere that I've seen.

I'm leaning towards that I have intimidated a chariot before, but I'm not definite on that. Otherwiki has them listed as a sub class of arcana, but they are not conclusive. Anyway, someone told me they did a 2k+ insurgency on khimaira which is definitely arcana. It could all mean nothing, just need a few tests to see for sure.

[Therin]

I don't think I've ever intimidated a Chariot (or a gear) on DRK out of tons of runs, but I guess that's not conclusive.

[miokomioko]

This possibility might lead to looking into Atonement vs undead, Drakesbane vs dragons, Tachi: Rana vs Demons, et cetera. Perhaps Primal Rend vs what your pet is strong against. Yadda yadda speculation yadda.