New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[VZX]

Unless you can not reliably land first hits on shark bite

fixed

There's no need to land both hits to beat Mandalic Stab, the first hit is enough to beat it.

[astrael]

Did a lot of preliminary Pyrrhic Kleos testing since no one seems that interested in it.

The evasion down duration testing was done on various non-campaign orcs in East Ronfaure [S]:
TP 100%: 60 seconds
TP 200%: 105 seconds
TP 300%: 120 seconds
It can be resisted shortening the duration (usually by half), but these numbers are consistent for all mob types I've used it on.

The actual evasion down effect is -10, tested on DC raptors in Mamook using gearswaps. (I had started from the high evasion border, and took off gear after using PK until it was high evasion again)

Lastly the mods:
This is all theoretical for now (I'm still trying to gather gear to test all possibilities, since DNC gear is pretty scarce) I am sorry I haven't quite figured out the attributes keyed into it with the numbers I've been getting, but I am very sure it is a 1.5 fTP mod (as the boost in damage from Snow Gorget with neutral stats matched a change from 1.5 to 1.6) Also as further proof, fTP 1.0 damage was less than the initial hit (I got lucky on a series of non-SA WS and missed the first hit for a very dramatic difference in damage) I thought CHR would be part of the math but stacking as much as I could showed no noticeable improvement to damage numbers. I'm guessing STR and DEX or possibly AGI now, and low percentages of them (~20% or 25% each), but tracking down gear specifically with those stats has been tough. Should be able to confirm soon since I have a lot of numbers in front of me, sorry if this wasn't too helpful for those interested.

[Fwahm]

I was messing around with Insurgency on Tabar Beaks, and I was getting a fairly consistent spread of 1200 damage plus or minus 50 or so when all hits connected at 100 tp.

However, one last Insurgency I did before stopping did over 1600 damage. Strange.

[eva00r]

King's Justice has 1.25 fTP mod @ 200 TP

[Faithe]

My Jnun is still <3

Also yeah I was going to suggest it to them, but knowing the dev team, if bringing back Pet Samba Effects breaks the game, then so will Automaton SCs. Hurr.

At least we can still make light with Dragon Kick. Honestly, I'm just glad I have a new decent WS to solo with when the Auto has no TP.

So...Flame/Soil Gorget? Since it's the same as Asuran? D:

I don't think anyone will use gorget with Asuran Fist so probably not Stringing Pummel either.

Choices are:

#1) Faithe Torque
#2) PCC
#3) Chiv
#4) That +4STR +4DEX loleinherjar necklace.

[Jkun]

I don't think anyone will use gorget with Asuran Fist so probably not Stringing Pummel either.

Choices are:

#1) Faithe Torque
#2) PCC
#3) Chiv
#4) That +4STR +4DEX loleinherjar necklace.

Depends. Asuran is Acc varies with TP. Pummel is Crit varies with TP.

Then again, in that case, it might be better to pour on STR+DEX gear and try to get a crit on Pummel as much as possible. (Most of the time you're holding back TP to SC with your Automaton after all.)

[Xanthe]

Depends. Asuran is Acc varies with TP. Pummel is Crit varies with TP.

Then again, in that case, it might be better to pour on STR+DEX gear and try to get a crit on Pummel as much as possible. (Most of the time you're holding back TP to SC with your Automaton after all.)

With a C-grade hand-to-hand skill, I would think it would be better to make sure you have the accuracy to actually land all of those hits.

[Raen Ryong]

(THF) "Mandalic Stab" - DONE
1 Hit, 2.0/2.125/2.5 fTP, DEX_30% Modifier.

Amusingly, otherwiki has its mods listed as STR_30% DEX_70% with undetermined fTP. Huge difference <_<

[Ophannus]

DEX 70%? Get out of town!

[Lyramion]

I don't think anyone will use gorget with Asuran Fist so probably not Stringing Pummel either.

Choices are:

#1) Faithe Torque
#2) PCC
#3) Chiv
#4) That +4STR +4DEX loleinherjar necklace.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16275

:D

[Hanyoko]

Is it safe to assume that none of these WS have a level 3 property like the relic weaponskills? Or has that not been tested; I dont think i've seen any mention of explicit testing of that case.

[Judai]

been tested, no they don't

[Faithe]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16275

:D

Oh shit! I forgot about that. That got to be #1 then.

I still don't recommand gorget on Pummel.

It only boost the first hit and leaves the next five hit out of the water.

I say toss as much DEX and accuracy on it for the best result.

[Neosutra]

Oh shit! I forgot about that. That got to be #1 then.

I still don't recommand gorget on Pummel.

It only boost the first hit and leaves the next five hit out of the water.

I say toss as much DEX and accuracy on it for the best result.

Gorget acc effects all hits.

[Judai]

I don't think anyone will use gorget with Asuran Fist so probably not Stringing Pummel either.

Choices are:

#1) Faithe Torque
#2) PCC
#3) Chiv
#4) That +4STR +4DEX loleinherjar necklace.

Gorget is the best neck for Asuran, unless you don't have h2h merits and Faith boosts your damage tier.

[Jkun]

Gorget is the best neck for Asuran, unless you don't have h2h merits and Faith boosts your damage tier.

Well, remember PUP is only C Skill rating, though I have 8 merits into it bumping it to 241. I've got way more acc than is needed (PCC, Usukane, Enkidu etc.), I think about 55 on TP build and 40ish on WS.

I'm doing pretty constant numbers on T mobs (700-800 DMG) with Pummel by using Chiv Chain, but once I grab my Yovra organ I'll see if Gorget is any better.

[hexagram23]

I was messing around with Insurgency on Tabar Beaks, and I was getting a fairly consistent spread of 1200 damage plus or minus 50 or so when all hits connected at 100 tp.

However, one last Insurgency I did before stopping did over 1600 damage. Strange.

I hate to ask an obvious question, but I need to be sure. The 1600 was with no DA?

Can you remember any circumstances about the 1600? I know "circumstances" is sort of vague but is there anything that pops out to you that happened before/during the WS? Did the mob use a TP attack on you? If so how much damage did it do? The current theory is that the WS takes TP/WS damage dealt by a mob and converts at least some of it into Insurgency damage.

[Toth]

Did a lot of preliminary Pyrrhic Kleos testing since no one seems that interested in it.

The evasion down duration testing was done on various non-campaign orcs in East Ronfaure [S]:
TP 100%: 60 seconds
TP 200%: 105 seconds
TP 300%: 120 seconds
It can be resisted shortening the duration (usually by half), but these numbers are consistent for all mob types I've used it on.

The actual evasion down effect is -10, tested on DC raptors in Mamook using gearswaps. (I had started from the high evasion border, and took off gear after using PK until it was high evasion again)

Lastly the mods:
This is all theoretical for now (I'm still trying to gather gear to test all possibilities, since DNC gear is pretty scarce) I am sorry I haven't quite figured out the attributes keyed into it with the numbers I've been getting, but I am very sure it is a 1.5 fTP mod (as the boost in damage from Snow Gorget with neutral stats matched a change from 1.5 to 1.6) Also as further proof, fTP 1.0 damage was less than the initial hit (I got lucky on a series of non-SA WS and missed the first hit for a very dramatic difference in damage) I thought CHR would be part of the math but stacking as much as I could showed no noticeable improvement to damage numbers. I'm guessing STR and DEX or possibly AGI now, and low percentages of them (~20% or 25% each), but tracking down gear specifically with those stats has been tough. Should be able to confirm soon since I have a lot of numbers in front of me, sorry if this wasn't too helpful for those interested.

Nice initial testing. Is there anyway to tell if it is straight -10 accuracy or 10% though? The thought of using the WS and then building up Quicksteps to stack evasion down bonuses to gain TP for another PK does sound intriguing for DNCs and endgame mobs.

[Fwahm]

I hate to ask an obvious question, but I need to be sure. The 1600 was with no DA?

Can you remember any circumstances about the 1600? I know "circumstances" is sort of vague but is there anything that pops out to you that happened before/during the WS? Did the mob use a TP attack on you? If so how much damage did it do? The current theory is that the WS takes TP/WS damage dealt by a mob and converts at least some of it into Insurgency damage.

The 1600 was with no DA.

It used no attacks on me whatsoever before the WS.

I had less than 10% hp because I was testing if really low HP affected it, but that was the only WS with that much HP that was any different.

[Eleven19]

If it's only 1.5 at 300, and all the hits after the first are 1.0, then nah, I wouldn't think that 1.25 on the first hit would outweigh higher base damage, and other potential boosts.

Yeah makes sense. Eva posted middle being 1.25, but I don't think that .25 will make up for all the voulge's bonuses.

Thanks, saves me 1.3m lol.