New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Jkun]

Insurgency's crazy "Sometimes I'll do insane damage for no reason" trait is making me use it a lot more than Guillotine these days, hah.

It's a nice surprise to see the mob's HP plummet when you least expect it. Just wish we knew what caused it..

Oh, this was on Mamools incase it helps. Let's get to the bottom of it! D;

Edit:

Just finished Dynamis Valk, and had consistant 800-900 DMG Insurgies, but every now and then, even on minibosses, it would spike to 1.2k or 1.4k. It's absolutely crazy and I love it so very much.

[Byrthnoth]

1) a debuff on the monster that increases Enmity Gained

This one is hard to test because enmity testing is generally based on your ability to gain CE/VE on a mob relative to someone else's ability to do the same thing on the same mob. If the debuff occurs on the mob, then it is difficult to test. The only plausible way I can think of doing this would be to see how many of X spell it took to reach the CE cap, because I am assuming this has to remain static. I do know a way to test this, but it has to be done LAST. So come back to this one after if the others show negative results (this one seems very unlikely though).

If you know some1 with atonement as well this is a very easy test though.

Another way you could do this would be to have a RDM pull a monster with Dispel and cast it maybe 3 more times. Then have the THF plant Mand Stab on it and log out (doesn't matter if he uses shadows, which is convenient). Test how much CE it takes the second RDM to take hate from the first.

Also, you guys with Insurgency spikes. Do you ever notice a 5 hit TP return? Could it be that Insurgency is just messed up and doesn't give TP for hits after 4?

[Redshift]

3) Monster loses some enmity against the player it currently targets.

This one is tricky - do test 2 first. I say it's only tricky because it is hard to find an easy test that specifically attempts to show this effect.

That one is probably the easiest to test if it exists. Have two players cap CE/VE (or very close to it), THF does Mandalic Stab. If the monster changes targets to the other PLD, then we're on to something. If nothing happens it's busted.

[Izzy]

Well, here's what little testing I did with Mystic Boon. I just can't motivate myself to sit out and beat on mandragora for 300 hours Q_Q

62 Base MND

Onion Rod - 106 TP

+0MND
139 +0
156 +0
153 +0
142 +0
147 +0
137 +0
157 +0
153 +0
153 +0
159 +0
157 +0
138 +0
153 +0
138 +0
139 +0
156 +0
158 +0
160 +0
158 +0
135 +0
137 +0
155 +0
144 +0
160 +0
136 +0
140 +0
153 +0
155 +0
159 +0

+15 MND
174 +15
179 +15
172 +15
157 +15
179 +15
164 +15
177 +15
172 +15
172 +15
166 +15
157 +15
176 +15
159 +15
166 +15
177 +15
178 +15
169 +15

I don't know what any of this means though Q_Q

[arus2001]

Has anyone tried counting the number of WS between freak Insurgency numbers to see if it somehow functions like Tredicim Scythe in forcing a crit after 13 swings or something? Still waiting on my scythe to drop while we climb a new disc. :/

[Izzy]

Just tested a Light and Breeze gorget with Mystic Boon and they had no effect. Does anyone have a Darkness gorget they can try out?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Those are SA+WSes right Izzy?

And 100 tp right?

[Enedin]

Are we still agreeing on lolmandalicstab? Or is it less lol?

[Amele]

Just tested a Light and Breeze gorget with Mystic Boon and they had no effect. Does anyone have a Darkness gorget they can try out?

I don't think it will have any effect - since the gorgets are based on skillchain effect; and it doesn't skillchain..

[Izzy]

Those are SA+WSes right Izzy?

And 100 tp right?

106 yes.

[Xanthe]

Just tested a Light and Breeze gorget with Mystic Boon and they had no effect. Does anyone have a Darkness gorget they can try out?

I have a Shadow Gorget and Snow Gorget I can use for testing, but still have to finish up points to get the WS.

[eva00r]

There is a report that Mandalic Stab has hidden attack multiplier, the same way as Yuki/Gekko/Kasha has. Around 66% boost in attack.

[Izzy]

I have a Shadow Gorget and Snow Gorget I can use for testing, but still have to finish up points to get the WS.

Thanks. I really didn't feel like farming up Yovra Q_Q.

[zantes]

Well, here's what little testing I did with Mystic Boon. I just can't motivate myself to sit out and beat on mandragora for 300 hours Q_Q

62 Base MND

Onion Rod - 106 TP

+0MND
139 +0
156 +0
153 +0
142 +0
147 +0
137 +0
157 +0
153 +0
153 +0
159 +0
157 +0
138 +0
153 +0
138 +0
139 +0
156 +0
158 +0
160 +0
158 +0
135 +0
137 +0
155 +0
144 +0
160 +0
136 +0
140 +0
153 +0
155 +0
159 +0

+15 MND
174 +15
179 +15
172 +15
157 +15
179 +15
164 +15
177 +15
172 +15
172 +15
166 +15
157 +15
176 +15
159 +15
166 +15
177 +15
178 +15
169 +15

I don't know what any of this means though Q_Q

Based on these numbers,

62 MND has an average of 149 damage
77 MND has an average of 170 damage

This gives a difference of 21.

Given that you were at 106 TP for these tests, it would leave me to believe that MND has a ratio of 3:4 for damage at 100% TP. This is just a rough guess though based on your data.

[Xanthe]

Based on these numbers,

62 MND has an average of 149 damage
77 MND has an average of 170 damage

This gives a difference of 21.

Given that you were at 106 TP for these tests, it would leave me to believe that MND has a ratio of 3:4 for damage at 100% TP. This is just a rough guess though based on your data.

So a MND_75 mod?

[zantes]

No, it seems like in his tests that 15 MND gave 20 damage, so 133%.

It would be interesting to see how the martial wand would help this. Unfortunately I don't have the weapon skill yet let alone the weapon to get it with.

[Xanthe]

No, it seems like in his tests that 15 MND gave 20 damage, so 133%.

It would be interesting to see how the martial wand would help this. Unfortunately I don't have the weapon skill yet let alone the weapon to get it with.

133% mod would be... unprecedented. Martial Wand would probably be the best weapon to mainhand if mainly using this WS given the damage varies with TP rule. Would be interesting to test.

[zantes]

133% mod would be... unprecedented. Martial Wand would probably be the best weapon to mainhand if mainly using this WS given the damage varies with TP rule. Would be interesting to test.

Again, that was just based off Izzy's data which isn't enough to make any solid assumptions on. Izzy, can you tell us what your other stats were when you did these WS? MND may not be the only modifier so we need to account for everything.

[Izzy]

...so a 133% mod? That doesn't seem right... The +MND pieces I put on also had MP on them. Maybe your max MP is also a mod. I'll test that out really quick when I get home.

*EDIT* getting other base stats.

[Izzy]

Again, that was just based off Izzy's data which isn't enough to make any solid assumptions on. Izzy, can you tell us what your other stats were when you did these WS? MND may not be the only modifier so we need to account for everything.

56 STR
56 DEX
56 VIT
61 AGI
64 INT
62 MND
61 CHR