New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Xrave]

Black Cuisses -> Kittypants.

I wish DRK could use Haidate.

And WAR probably wishes they could use Black Cuisses.

[hexagram23]

Have any of you DRKs that reported the spike damage seen it since the first time? I've had the WS for a few days and while something is....sort of "off" about the WS I haven't seen any crazy spike damage myself.

The only thing I've noticed is that it has an extremely broad range of damage, sometimes on the same mob. Over all though I'd say it's a prettier Guillotine that closes Light....can't really complain about that.

[Xanthe]

(fuckin assault curse strikes again, 0/13, WRYYY!!)

We've been spamming Nyzul 6 runs per week (not 7 due to scheduling) for the last 4.5 weeks and have seen multiples of every drop except a single SAM and no WAR or NIN. So that makes us 0/27 on WAR and NIN if you count by runs, more if you count by the NM. Happy hunting!


Sure we could force those drops on 100, but they're all secondary/tertiary weapons for us and we're just going to go about our gear/token farming and chance the random drops. The fewer the floor 100s we have to do the better.

[Znooby]

Expiacion - Blue mage WS, small testing, will post more later on after some more precise testing.

fTP mod

still unknown, did several tests with tp to see if the damage increased, found NO INCREASE OF DAMAGE when i had more TP, none at all.

1.5 fTP@100 ??? fTP@200 TP ??? fTP@300
15 ws's 15 ws's 15 ws's
average:462 average:469 average:471

did not count misses hits or double attacked ones, had strange tpreturns(spikes up to 16, no, i did not get hit,

this ws can possible crit/have a hidden crit mod, regular ws's averaged as mentioned above, had strange spikes between 580-600 with no higher tpgain, when double attack proced it seemed to add around 30'ish damage only

i'll do more precise testing of the WS later on when i have more time

Gear used while testing(didn't bother to swap to ws set):

main:Fragarach
sub:Beastslayer
Ammo:Tiphia sting
Head:walahra turban
body:Mirage jubbah
hands: Dusk
legs: Homam
feets: Dusk
ring1/2: rajas/ulthalam's
earring1/2: Brutal/Suppa
waist:Swift
back: Amemet +1

[sleekmotorwurkz]

This is the problem.
King's Justice is a 3-hit, 50% STR modded, non-critting WS. In other words, the stuff that works for RR, doesn't exactly work completely for KJ, and as such, changes are needed. Ares', Relic, almost anything would be better in terms of sheer damage, as the Haidate are really only giving you 12~ accuracy and nothing more. If you need the accuracy, then sure, but there's a lot better options for damage in of itself.

On the flip side, I have found a lot of good in Insurgency since I got it. Its a terrible WS to kill mobs with, as if the thing dies with only the first hit getting through, it looks terrible due to damage, but its a great looking WS, has great SC properties, and moreover, gets better with TP. So I don't feel like shit those times where something has happened and I have 200%, and I'm feeling like I'm pissing away a whole WS by using Guillo, especially since Cross Reaper just doesn't do what I want it to, and I avoid Spiral Hell/300% situations when at all possible.

Well I was figuring If anything haidate would give me a nice acc boost, even if it cant crit. But I suppose Ill pull my relic legs out of storage and see what they can do. For insurgency, that may be a good point, maybe I will use guillo when I spam at 100TP, and if somehow I break 200 without getting a good chance to WS i can mess with insurgency again. But yes it does look pretty

[Skeelo]

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...007_005728.png

sorry this is so big didnt have to time crop. but this was the second highest i did in the merit party did a 2290 next one but didnt screenshot it. also in temenos north did a 1980 on kindred summoner. So <3 drakesbane. In merit party, had x2 minuet, hunters roll, and fighters roll. /sam

[Aurara]

didnt see it up there, but Mandelic Stab>Death Blossom=light D:

[Max™]

We've been spamming Nyzul 6 runs per week (not 7 due to scheduling) for the last 4.5 weeks and have seen multiples of every drop except a single SAM and no WAR or NIN. So that makes us 0/27 on WAR and NIN if you count by runs, more if you count by the NM. Happy hunting!


Sure we could force those drops on 100, but they're all secondary/tertiary weapons for us and we're just going to go about our gear/token farming and chance the random drops. The fewer the floor 100s we have to do the better.

No no, I mean my luck with groups.

I get a great group, we do a run, then the next time, someone has a dentists appointment, someone oversleeps, one person has to go in 15 minutes, and it falls apart.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I've got a Sturdy Axe, but only managed to get one group to do a ground floor climb, so I'm on 5 right now, 2000/12000 is /sadpanda.

[Lyramion]

Set up a real Kamu WS set with STR STR and more STR basically and gorget. Did random Kamus in Campaign and Einherjar etc.

With a real setup the damage from Kamu is basically on par with a JIN that didnt DoubleAttack or Crit.

So far I saw absolutly no freak spikes with the damage. It goes up a nice bti if a doublettack happens. But there are no mystery spikes at all I have noticed. I tried some things like lower HP more dmg, more enmity more dmg, more evasion more dmg. But nothing changed the damage.



As the DNC WS does Eva-10 I would guess Kamu does Enemy ACC-10. No further testing on this subject tho.

[Seraphus]

I've been using Atonement in Campaign, and weird thing I noticed.

Atonement seems to be able to override other players' hate very very easily.

Like a Paladin that tanks a mob until like 10%, and I popped Flash, took a few swings, and did Atonement for about 410~ damage, and I ripped hate from the other paladin that his Sentinel/Rampart/Flash couldn't get it back.

Was Wearing:
Hrotti/Joyeuse/Lamian Kaman+1
Walahra/Parade Gorget/Brutal Earring/Ethereal Earring
Valor Surcoat/Dusk Gloves/Sattva Ring/Hercules' Ring
Boxer's Mantle/Trance Belt/Homam Cosciales/Homam Gambieras

Random gear I know, but I didnt feel like grabbing a bunch of melee gear to do campaign with <_<

Any ideas?

Edit: Just happened again, ran up to a mob being tanked by an aegis paladin, took a few swings, atonement, and he couldn't get hate back. <_<

[Jkun]

Campaign isn't the best place to test Atonement. Purely because hate is all over the place. Plus NPCs seem to have weird hate. Sometimes they can hold a mob for ages, other times not so much.

Go out and bat some spiders with another PLD, maybe have him /WAR for provoke, see if it overrides that and such?

[Seraphus]

Good idea, I'll go test that in a little bit and post some results.

And btw, they were players tanking, not npcs lol, but I do understand you saying hate is all over the place.

And there's 3 of us paladins in jugner spamming atonement, we're pretty much the 3 bouncing hate lol

[Jkun]

Good idea, I'll go test that in a little bit and post some results.

And btw, they were players tanking, not npcs lol, but I do understand you saying hate is all over the place.

And there's 3 of us paladins in jugner spamming atonement, we're pretty much the 3 bouncing hate lol

o that wus just me whining about engaging a mob at 80% and stealing hate from NPCs in one hit. Wimps.

[hexagram23]

Have any of you DRKs that reported the weird spike damage with Insurgency seen it since the first time....or seen it more than once? I've had the WS for about two weeks and besides the weird variance in damage (500-800 under the same circumstances for no reason) I haven't seen anything I can 100% for sure say was a "damage spike".

Or, have any of you new guys that recently got the WS seen the spike damage?

[Ophannus]

With 2x minuet and fighter's roll + angon I can hit that number easily with penta thrust, still though very impressive

[drwaffles]

Thought I'd post my findings with Mystic Boon; as you might expect, when used in conjunction with Kraken Club it's an absolute beast. I went duoing with my NIN friend in Castle Oztroja[S] last night for a good few hours, and never came close to having to rest even once. A WS that usually restores between 150 to 200 MP on Tough and up mobs using a shitty main-hand (having trouble convincing myself to shell out all my IS for Perdu) that can be used every 30 seconds or so when offhanding KC is amazing, and gives me even more MP-durability than a RDM in situations like this. I'm just surprised this WS hasn't been getting much attention thus far.

Certainly it's not going to have much application in most endgame scenarios, but for doing random low-man stuff it has a lot of potential indeed. You probably wouldn't even need a KC to see good results, really. Obviously it enhances WHM's ability to solo enormously as well; I solo'd a Tough Yagudo Prelate (BLM) in about five minutes, and ended the fight with more MP than I started with. Needless to say, Boon is also fantastic for Campaign.

[Meian]

Thought I'd post my findings with Mystic Boon; as you might expect, when used in conjunction with Kraken Club it's an absolute beast. I went duoing with my NIN friend in Castle Oztroja[S] last night for a good few hours, and never came close to having to rest even once. A WS that usually restores between 150 to 200 MP on Tough and up mobs using a shitty main-hand (having trouble convincing myself to shell out all my IS for Perdu) that can be used every 30 seconds or so when offhanding KC is amazing, and gives me even more MP-durability than a RDM in situations like this. I'm just surprised this WS hasn't been getting much attention thus far.

Certainly it's not going to have much application in most endgame scenarios, but for doing random low-man stuff it has a lot of potential indeed. You probably wouldn't even need a KC to see good results, really. Obviously it enhances WHM's ability to solo enormously as well; I solo'd a Tough Yagudo Prelate (BLM) in about five minutes, and ended the fight with more MP than I started with. Needless to say, Boon is also fantastic for Campaign.

Good to hear this, I would have tested this myself with my KC but the WHM (and PUP -_-) weapon haven't dropped yet. Seems I may not need to /sch for Campaign anymore =)

[Emorej]

I've been running around Stringing Pummeling everything in site with differnt gear and I cant find anything. I got a 7 tp return and did ~500, ~900 with just ACC gear on, still less then 15 tp return. I've yet to see over 1k, if those who have please post what you had on.

[Jkun]

I've been running around Stringing Pummeling everything in site with differnt gear and I cant find anything. I got a 7 tp return and did ~500, ~900 with just ACC gear on, still less then 15 tp return. I've yet to see over 1k, if those who have please post what you had on.

http://www.elite.uk.com/james/ffxiseptember08/sp1.jpg

http://www.elite.uk.com/james/ffxiseptember08/sp2.jpg

2 lucky DRK Rolls from a fellow COR, that's it. 8 H2H merits, using Hades Sainti.

As for gear, not that many notable pieces really. Typical melee rings/earrings/Potent Belt etc etc, AF feet, Enkidu Mitts, relic hat and Usukane hands/legs. Oh and Flame Gorget helps a ton, btw.

Also this was on /NIN. I've yet to try for an Epeen shot with /WAR, meat, BRD and COR. It's not hard to break 1k, btw. If you include Automaton damage + SC it's very easy, infact.

[Lyramion]

@drwaffles:

I honestly think Martial Wand will outdo Perdu Wand on Mystic Boon spam over time