New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Izzy]

@drwaffles:

I honestly think Martial Wand will outdo Perdu Wand on Mystic Boon spam over time

I think you might be right. Mystic Boon's TP seems to really affect your damage return.

[Black]

what gorget needed for KJ ? p-p

[Emorej]

Ill have to try that, but Im the only COR in my main LS lol. Ive also closed random darkness SCs in group battles. Time for my trip over to a pups slumber teeheee

[drwaffles]

@drwaffles:

I honestly think Martial Wand will outdo Perdu Wand on Mystic Boon spam over time

I think I read something like that earlier in the thread but forgot about it, thanks for reminding me.

[Byrthnoth]

what gorget needed for KJ ? p-p

Thunder, Wind, or Soil Gorget.

[Max™]

Thunder, Wind, or Soil Gorget.

I wonder if stacking those + Seismic Axe will be doublepwn or what.

20 Acc, +0.2 fTP?

Neato!

[Starr]

wondered the same, quite nice if it did I guess lol

[CLWolf81]

Tried some couple chains out, still no level 3, though...

Tachi: Kasha > Omniscience = Gravitation
Savage Blade > Omniscience = Nothing

I'll continue testing as soon as other people are nice enough to give me a chance. If not, I'll just get started on my Werebuster and start unlocking that, LOL

If this is the case, then I'm guessing that Omniscience is in the same grid as Retribution is in previously?

[Vajra]

Tried some couple chains out, still no level 3, though...

Tachi: Kasha > Omniscience = Gravitation
Savage Blade > Omniscience = Nothing

I'll continue testing as soon as other people are nice enough to give me a chance. If not, I'll just get started on my Werebuster and start unlocking that, LOL

If this is the case, then I'm guessing that Omniscience is in the same grid as Retribution is in previously?

Tachi: Gekko/ Steel Cyclone / Cross Reaper / => Omniscience = Darkness and same in reverse, i have it and tested it last month for the first time, and it still does the same thing really, so i think it's in the same box as Retribution.

[hexagram23]

Any DRKs with Insurgency have you noticed it doing higher damage on HNMs/higher level things in general? I'm talking anything from Fafhogg, to Salvage bosses, to Odin. Any info would be appreciated.

Also when I say "higher" I mean compared to Guillotine.

[Neosutra]

Why isnt everyone here doing everything you can to figure out the shit-tastic gimic to make Ascetics Fury not suck Q.Q. This is all that matters!

[Khelek]

Why isnt everyone here doing everything you can to figure out the shit-tastic gimic to make Ascetics Fury not suck Q.Q. This is all that matters!

Who said it sucks? lol

[Jkun]

Any DRKs with Insurgency have you noticed it doing higher damage on HNMs/higher level things in general? I'm talking anything from Fafhogg, to Salvage bosses, to Odin. Any info would be appreciated.

Also when I say "higher" I mean compared to Guillotine.

Considering Guillotine is shitsux on Fafhogg since it can't aswell as GSword or Insurge, it'll be a bit gay and a bit annoying to compare it. As for Salv bosses, we MNK and WAR it up so again it's hard to compare. As for Odin, we RNG and SMN burn it.

In Nyzul however, it wrecks the place up. Opening with Insurge and having THF close light on Fl100 bosses rips off about 25~% of their HP in an instant, but then again it's Nyzul so that's not exactly hard to do. It seemed to do more than Cross>Evi and Darkness SC though.

I also noticed Insurge doing upwards of 800 on Omega (2 legs + Final), where Guillo could only do about 600ish. I didn't text Souleater cuz I save it for krakenburn incase shit hits the fan.

So ya! Not of much use here.

[hexagram23]

Considering Guillotine is shitsux on Fafhogg since it can't aswell as GSword or Insurge, it'll be a bit gay and a bit annoying to compare it. As for Salv bosses, we MNK and WAR it up so again it's hard to compare. As for Odin, we RNG and SMN burn it.

In Nyzul however, it wrecks the place up. Opening with Insurge and having THF close light on Fl100 bosses rips off about 25~% of their HP in an instant, but then again it's Nyzul so that's not exactly hard to do. It seemed to do more than Cross>Evi and Darkness SC though.

I also noticed Insurge doing upwards of 800 on Omega (2 legs + Final), where Guillo could only do about 600ish. I didn't text Souleater cuz I save it for krakenburn incase shit hits the fan.

So ya! Not of much use here.

You have a general idea how much Guillotine does on Fafhogg though. So what I'm asking is, does Insurgency seem to do more?

Hell, on anything man. I'm grasping at straws at this point....on ZNMs? On higher DEF mobs like Trolls? On Lebros wall break? On Campaign/Besieged bosses?

So far I've only been able to test it on EP-low T stuff, since I solo a lot. Yesterday in EXP it lagged by about 100 damage behind Guillotine, but that was on lolBirds without food and without a BRD. Maybe tonight I'll go to Campaign and only WS the Beastmen Generals, and parse the damage between the two WSs.

Maybe I'm in denial but I find it hard to believe SE gave us a new WS whose sole purpose is to close Light, considering nobody really SCs any more, and we already have a way to close Light, and especially since some of the new WSs like Drakesbane and Atonement are beastly.

[hexagram23]

Who said it sucks? lol

I think he means "sucks compared to Asuran Fists", which it does seem to. And if the new WS sucks compared to an old one....well the new one might as well not exist because there's no reason to use it. WSs like Atonement and Leaden Salute with it's weird damage mods give me hope though.

[miokomioko]

Ascetic's just looks like a WS for any mob that Asuran kinda' sucks on.

[Ramses]

You have a general idea how much Guillotine does on Fafhogg though. So what I'm asking is, does Insurgency seem to do more?

Hell, on anything man. I'm grasping at straws at this point....on ZNMs? On higher DEF mobs like Trolls? On Lebros wall break? On Campaign/Besieged bosses?

So far I've only been able to test it on EP-low T stuff, since I solo a lot. Yesterday in EXP it lagged by about 100 damage behind Guillotine, but that was on lolBirds without food and without a BRD. Maybe tonight I'll go to Campaign and only WS the Beastmen Generals, and parse the damage between the two WSs.

Maybe I'm in denial but I find it hard to believe SE gave us a new WS whose sole purpose is to close Light, considering nobody really SCs any more, and we already have a way to close Light, and especially since some of the new WSs like Drakesbane and Atonement are beastly.

All things being equal, I've yet to find any circumstance where insurgency beats guillotine.

[Gwynplaine]

So is Leadan Salute really mediocre unless you're using it on some mob with a weakness to magic? Please give me some excuse to use a weapon skill that utilizes a laser in it's graphic.

[CLWolf81]

More SC Fun, this time with a RDM with Death Blossom

Omniscience > Death Blossom = Fragmentation
Omniscience > Savage Blade = Fragmentation
Death Blossom > Omniscience = Darkness
Omniscience > Shark Bite = Fragmentation

Combos that don't work at all:

Omniscience > Evisceration
Evisceration > Omniscience

Take it as you will.

[Fwahm]

You have a general idea how much Guillotine does on Fafhogg though. So what I'm asking is, does Insurgency seem to do more?

Hell, on anything man. I'm grasping at straws at this point....on ZNMs? On higher DEF mobs like Trolls? On Lebros wall break? On Campaign/Besieged bosses?

So far I've only been able to test it on EP-low T stuff, since I solo a lot. Yesterday in EXP it lagged by about 100 damage behind Guillotine, but that was on lolBirds without food and without a BRD. Maybe tonight I'll go to Campaign and only WS the Beastmen Generals, and parse the damage between the two WSs.

Maybe I'm in denial but I find it hard to believe SE gave us a new WS whose sole purpose is to close Light, considering nobody really SCs any more, and we already have a way to close Light, and especially since some of the new WSs like Drakesbane and Atonement are beastly.

Insurgency was doing more than twice as much damage to Proto-Ultima as Guillotine.