New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Indalecia]

Fuggin Win

[Enedin]

Lol @ the 2 sunglasses.

[hexagram23]

Another guy with "Insurgency spike damage", link below. Unless the devs specifically tell us what causes this it'll probably never be figured out....but I'll still post any examples I find:

Insurgency - Killing Ifrit

[Yugl]

You probably get the spike DMG the same way you stop AV's regen

[Jkun]

You probably get the spike DMG the same way you stop AV's regen

Ughhhhhh please don't start again. D;

[Akanei]

Apologies if I'm pointing out something old, but I couldn't really see anything related in my scan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...5atonement.jpg

Atonement is affected by Counterstance? I think I've hit rather high on Anders but I don't have a screen for that.

[ronin sparthos]

Apologies if I'm pointing out something old, but I couldn't really see anything related in my scan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...5atonement.jpg

Atonement is affected by Counterstance? I think I've hit rather high on Anders but I don't have a screen for that.

Something like this happened during Splitting Heirs when Darkheir used Orcish Counterstance, except it was around a 1.1k Atonement.

Quite the pleasant surprise.

[Yugl]

I noticed during that Orc BCNM that when the NM uses Orcish counterstance, he gains a magic DEF down briefly. It might be that orcish counterstance in general gives them magic DEF down instead of physical DEF down.

[Albatross]

Are you sure it was Counterstance, or Berserker dance that gives haste, because I know for a fact that this lowers their mdef.

[ronin sparthos]

I noticed during that Orc BCNM that when the NM uses Orcish counterstance, he gains a magic DEF down briefly. It might be that orcish counterstance in general gives them magic DEF down instead of physical DEF down.

That'd explain it.

[crunkinator]

Bud beat me to getting KJ, we were playing with it yesterday outside whitegate.

Seismic Axe may offer more of a boost than Soil Gorget, his numbers with it were higher than I calculated (it SHOULD be that Mbhuj = Perdu = Seismic for 3 hit at 100%, but Seismic got a slight lead).

Then I had him do a 2hr 300% full buff War Charge. With 4 hits he did 2513 to a lollessercoli.

5 hits, Brave Grip, minuets, good food. KJ should push low 3k's to a WIDE range of targets, the definitive epeen War WS for sure.

I have been testing KJ with my various axes as well and have also found seismic to win out over them. does anyone know how the latent dmg is figured in for the gaxe, whether it's +ftp and acc like a gorget or something else?
Also does anyone know if it stacks with WS gorget or if another neck should be worn when using seismic axe?

[Rocl]

Are you sure it was Counterstance, or Berserker dance that gives haste, because I know for a fact that this lowers their mdef.

To re-iterate; Berserker's Dance definitely gives them Magic Defense Down (and Magic Evasion Down, best I can figure), I don't think Orcish Counterstance does. Especially considering the SS is of an Orc NM with access, again, to Berserker's Dance.

The Magic Evasion bit is taken from the fact Darkheir Graddhod is somewhat resistant to most enfeebles, but gravity, blind, and elegy land fairly reliably after the move goes off.

[Yugl]

Has anyone tested Atonement in Ballista to see if enmity builds during conflict?

[liggy 0]

i was running around on smn/blu with earthstaff/chev cape/jelly ring/cacoon and got hit for 200ish when the pld came up on me(no flash or abilities prior to ws). it would be the worst ws in ballista if it worked off eminity alone. could give it a try in dio

[Asdrabael]

Has anyone tested Atonement in Ballista to see if enmity builds during conflict?

Atonement acts really fruity on Ballista. Since theres not a pvp hate system, its damage seems based entirely on tp, to the point where martial sword is the best bet.

I tried using it single wielding joy, and was hitting 150 or so damage no matter what I did with 100ish tp. A jp was running around with martial/kclub spamming at 100 tp and doing 650.

Its basicly paladins best answer to the hit and run tactic if you can do martial/multihit. Run in, smash em once, and run away. Run in, get in a few swings, run away, run in, smash someone, run away, etc.

[Melios]

I can confirm that Vidohunir is Dark Element (for damage, not skillchain properties), as Pluto's staff gives a 15% bonus, Apollos a 15% reduction in damage. MAB seems to affect it as well. Damage is not a function of TP, only duration of the effect it seems, and it can resist.

That seems surprising given the weaponskill's visual effect seems light based (though still appropriate to the job).

[Albatross]

To re-iterate; Berserker's Dance definitely gives them Magic Defense Down (and Magic Evasion Down, best I can figure), I don't think Orcish Counterstance does. Especially considering the SS is of an Orc NM with access, again, to Berserker's Dance.

The Magic Evasion bit is taken from the fact Darkheir Graddhod is somewhat resistant to most enfeebles, but gravity, blind, and elegy land fairly reliably after the move goes off.

Ya, that's mainly what I was referring to, boss in that CoPs takes insane damage from nukes when he uses Berserker's Dance, I've never noticed a change in magic damage when an orc has had Orcish Counterstance up.

[Khelek]

I just got out of a merit pt on Greater Colibri as WAR/SAM. Thought I'd try KJ out and see how it compared to RR. at first it didn't do too awesome. normal 3hits were around 7-800dmg and 5hit ones did 1100 dmg. after about an hour I started noticing a change though. normal 3hits did at least 1000 dmg and, while I didn't get any 5hits at this point, all 4 hits did around 1500dmg and one went as high as 1800ish.
Managed to get myself killed shortly after that, and once I unweakened I was back at doing 1100 dmg with a 5 hit and 7-800 with my 3hits. my 4hits did about 950~... The buffs were identical at all times, without food. only thing differing might've been having zerk or not (wasn't up at the 1800dmg one). Makes me think using the WS more makes it stronger, sortof like wyverns level up or something weird <_< anyone else experience something similar?

[Ramses]

I just got out of a merit pt on Greater Colibri as WAR/SAM. Thought I'd try KJ out and see how it compared to RR. at first it didn't do too awesome. normal 3hits were around 7-800dmg and 5hit ones did 1100 dmg. after about an hour I started noticing a change though. normal 3hits did at least 1000 dmg and, while I didn't get any 5hits at this point, all 4 hits did around 1500dmg and one went as high as 1800ish.
Managed to get myself killed shortly after that, and once I unweakened I was back at doing 1100 dmg with a 5 hit and 7-800 with my 3hits. my 4hits did about 950~... The buffs were identical at all times, without food. only thing differing might've been having zerk or not (wasn't up at the 1800dmg one). Makes me think using the WS more makes it stronger, sortof like wyverns level up or something weird <_< anyone else experience something similar?

You know, I got the same impression with Insurgency awhile back. I thought maybe the longer you were in a zone or in a party or more you used it consecutively it got stronger. Then I figured probably not and didn't test further. But yeah, Insurgency seemed to do more damage later on then in the beginning.

[mallister]

that'd be easy enough to test, just use insurgency over the course of a merit party, and record each one, but i think if this was the case then it'd have stuck out before now, that's pretty obvious, but still might have missed it if someone was just looking at parser log.