New WS Properties/Modifier/Damage Testing

[Tyrath]

STR 129, DEX 119, VIT 171, AGI 72, INT 57, MND 54, CHR 57
WS numbers:
516, 499, 505, 504, 493, 503, 509

I'm assuming thats meant to be 71 but just wanna confirm anyways >.>

[Judai]

That indicates Kamu's B property is Compression, not Gravitation.

DE is A Scission/B Detonation
Detonation -> Compression = Gravitation

Re: Atonement

Are we sure that the WS does not convert CE into damage? Because that, um, changes things.

test: build lots of CE, use 100TP Atonement, i.wing, Atonement again. If second Atonement does less damage than first, uh oh.

der, my bad. wasn't thinking after all the WS spam, lol.

[Therin]

Okay, I've always had trouble with the gorget thing. I was using the Koolaid list. According to that, Breeze Gorget should work with King's Justice and Shadow Gorget should work with Insurgency - is that right?

[Ophannus]

So Drakesbane is just Skewer+Wheeling Thrust.

[Eklm]

Drakesbane - small sample of tests
ERon bunnies. 75DRG/THF

control:
STR 80, DEX 89, VIT 65, AGI 72, INT 57, MND 54, CHR 57
WS numbers:
438 436 438 445 432 453 432 446 439 451 446 435
(tested at various TP levels, one at 300TP just to test fTP)

DEX build:
STR 80, DEX 110, VIT 65, AGI 77, INT 57, MND 54, CHR 57
WS numbers:
448 453 443 451 436 427

STR build:
STR 129, DEX 119, VIT 71, AGI 72, INT 57, MND 54, CHR 57
WS numbers:
516, 499, 505, 504, 493, 503, 509

I also tried some WS wearing various VIT MND AGI INT CHR equip and the numbers didn't change much from the control. More testing could be done here if someone wants to see if there are 2 mods to this WS.

assuming my math doesn't suck, its coming out to around ~45-50% STR mod and flat ~1.1fTP. again, small sample so grain of salt.

How much tp return were you getting, since i figure the mob died before all hits landed

[Ophannus]

He was just testing the fTP and modifiers which requires you to sub THF and SA level 0 mobs to see how much damage the first hit does.

[eva00r]

I don't think Atonement is purely based on CE/VE or whatever. If you're doing only 0 and 750 value, Atonement is based on the fact that you're being in the monster's hate list or not. It has only 2 value, yes or no, not a linear function or anything.

And BTW, I think now Drakesbane is both a penta/skewer replacement with 50%STR mod and 4 criticalable hits. We will see a DRG with full crit build soon, ZNM lance/Claymore/Zahak/whatever.

[Ophannus]

Too bad its going to suck on HNM, the one area DRG's damage sucks in.

[Nitrous24]

I don't think Atonement is purely based on CE/VE or whatever. If you're doing only 0 and 750 value, Atonement is based on the fact that you're being in the monster's hate list or not. It has only 2 value, yes or no, not a linear function or anything.

It's not just 0 or 750. You can do in between that. 1 dispel (with +20 enmity) then engage + ws i did around 280 damage both times i did it. (I know it's not really that big of a sample). Also. I capped out at 720 if i was the only one on the hate list which i found weird.

[eva00r]

It's not just 0 or 750. You can do in between that. 1 dispel (with +20 enmity) then engage + ws i did around 280 damage both times i did it. (I know it's not really that big of a sample). Also. I capped out at 720 if i was the only one on the hate list which i found weird.

Then it make senses somehow ...

[VZX]

Last post on Gobli about gastraphetes

* RNG WS Trueflight
* ↑ got cut by enter lol. Seems to be a magic damage. Damage raised with Light staff. Doesn't look like to have piercing damage (well, this is redundant). Modified by MND. Not related by (weapon?) base damage. Spamming holy bolt with Machine crossbow sounds like a good idea.

No solid number yet, at least we know it's MND modded WS

They also suspect Atonement damage is enmity based.

[eva00r]

Thanks VZX, lemme check something more on Gobli.

[Kumaccio]

Not sure if this has been said but Atonement's damage goes higher as target's HP decrease.
Does 0 if target has 100% HP, caps (in my case) at 720 damage under 20% or so.

It did 720 damage regardless if the first hit of the WS killed the mob or not (description says it's 2 hits).

It might be enmity related as well though, need more proper tests.

Also it seems to ignore Slashing resistance bonus from certain mobs.
It 720 damage on both a crab and a ghost.

been testing atonement whole day as maints fucked up most of the events in ls...
well...what a strange ws...as Nevex said damage dealt seems to be proportional to hp percentage,or something related to hp.
My cap dmg is 750 dealt @ <25% hp with 100tp to colibris and fomors outside whitegate
Worst dmg 100-300 @ >75% hp with 100tp, against same mobs reached to deal even 50 dmg with high hp.
Considering i was using hauteclaire and colibris lasted 1 ws max 2(1 at the beginning and 1 at the end)and i wasnt always dealing 750dmg when <25% hp soo..
#atonement dmg varies with some kind of memory of damage you dealt to the mob,maybe only tp related or dot related,as i did most of the 700ish ws when i was in solo...when my friend came to unlock his scythe ws i never reached 700 ,neither with 200tp and with <15%
hp as he was doing half of the total damage..
I was talking with Nev about a possible relation with dmg/CE but as long as i kept spamming cures/flash/jas whatever and wsing @95% hp dmg was still 100-200 so i dont see any possible relation with CE so far..

Really important thing is that swapping any kind of gear str/vit/mnd/hp based was useless,it kept doing always same damage so i believe there arent any primary stat modifiers for this,neither defense or atk boost was affecting ws damage,same with accuracy,pretty high.

So we have...Dmg related with mob %hp and no primary stat modifiers...need to try it badly with khima or cerbe tomorrow

(ill be testing with joy too as tping will be a lot faster)

[eva00r]

Maybe your CE relative to other CE to the mob ?

[Therin]

Going to be testing Atonement on Omega shortly. I'll bring Joyeuse so I can use it multiple times and try to get some decent results.

[Fyrebrand]

Judai any word on kamu's dmg is it even worth getting? have seen 2 posts who only briefly mention it.

[Redflame]

I just got Death Blossom. Didn't do much testing but
Death Blossom > Wheeling Thrust = light
also this happened :
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/815...blossomru6.jpg

edit: nvm, magic evasion down is already in WS description.
also having 300% TP doesn't seem to do more damage than 100%

[Judai]

I only played with it on Robbers in Cape. Was doing 450+ with my normal Jin gear, which was a little less then my Jins did on Robbers actually(with Sasuke). It really didn't seem to suck as bad as ppl claimed but I didn't do much with it. It could be a pretty solid 1 hit WS for High DEF mobs but not too sure yet.

[Therin]

Hmm, Omega died too fast. I only got to WS twice (took like 3 minutes lol). First Atonement was at 75%ish and it did 472, second one was at 25%ish and it did 675.

Definitely a nice WS for HNMs, and definitely based on current enmity.

[FailureMidgard]

Hmm, Omega died too fast. I only got to WS twice (took like 3 minutes lol). First Atonement was at 75%ish and it did 472, second one was at 25%ish and it did 675.

Definitely a nice WS for HNMs, and definitely based on current enmity.

675 before or after entering the -50% damage taken phase? If that ignores damage resistance also like Mijin does, that's nice...