Last day today?

[Kuya]

I was just pointing out how foolish it is to think you can ever have something free from morality because it's pervasive in all the decisions we make. I definitely don't think you need religion to have morality, morality is just something we develop as a social creature with cognitive processes and it's dependent on our society as a whole not just religion, science, or any one particular field. A multitude of factors influence what we see as "right and wrong" and even without religion we'd still have "right and wrong" and there'd still be questions of "morality" over things concerning science.

Was not referring to you.

[Melchiah]

First of all, if you're just saying that you don't need religion for morality to exist, than you're right, science makes a pretty useful justification for morality as well.

While this is true, what I was driving at was that western religion is far from the paragon of morality.

[BRP]

Religious attack dogs often look silly because how relentless they are in proving their point. Unfortunately, atheist attack dogs exist too and are just as silly.

[quannum]

Atheism is not logical: you're ignoring that you don't or can't know, and are choosing to make a decision based on what you feel or believe.

Theism is not logical: you're ignoring that you don't or can't know, and are choosing to make a decision based on what you feel or believe.

default position on fairies, santa claus, etc, etc

[Demetrius*]

To say you believe there is no god based on proof is a fallacious argument in the first place, because you can't disprove Yahweh unless you change the premises of Yahweh, which you can't, therefore you can't.

I never said I had seen proof there was no god. All I said was that organized religion, as it is today and has been in the past, is obsolete.

If you can contradict the aspects of Yahweh, and assuming that he is infallible which should make contradictions in his perfection impossible, would that then destroy the truth about him? Or at the very least, what we perceived to be him?

[Melchiah]

If you can contradict the aspects of Yahweh, and assuming that he is infallible which should make contradictions in his perfection impossible, would that then destroy the truth about him? Or at the very least, what we perceived to be him?

Bingo. God cannot exist the way he is described in the Koran and the Bible. Omnipotence and Omnibenevolence cannot coincide in a world that knows evil. But now we are getting into dictionary definitions and moral relativism, so this is only going to go downhill.

[Maguspk]

Theism is not logical: you're ignoring that you don't or can't know, and are choosing to make a decision based on what you feel or believe.

default position on fairies, santa claus, etc, etc

An argument cannot be made either way. Just because you cannot prove God to be True doesn't mean it is false, what's more you cannot prove God exists simply by saying you cannot prove his existence to be false. Both are fallacies from ignorance, although one would say the burden of proof is on the party asserting his existence, I believe both arguments are futile and equally illogical.

[Mathematics]

Religious attack dogs often look silly because how relentless they are in proving their point. Unfortunately, atheist attack dogs exist too and are just as silly.

kids die everyday in Ethiopia of starvation,
there is no god.

[BRP]

kids die everyday in Ethiopia of starvation,
there is no god.

Come on. Just say the Nazis so I can call Goodwin's law.

[Shuvo]

Help the LHC project out by donating your spare CPU cycles with LHC@home

http://lhcathome.cern.ch/

[Denchi]

Hey guys they put up a live webcam in the LHC, it's actually pretty cool

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

[Max™]

Theism is not logical: you're ignoring that you don't or can't know, and are choosing to make a decision based on what you feel or believe.

default position on fairies, santa claus, etc, etc

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

AMAZING DISCOVERY!

Can you help me work on my theory of everything now?

I'm having trouble WITH THE OBVIOUS FUCKING IMPLICATIONS OF STATEMENTS part, and I think you could really bring something to the project.

[quannum]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

AMAZING DISCOVERY!

Can you help me work on my theory of everything now?

I'm having trouble WITH THE OBVIOUS FUCKING IMPLICATIONS OF STATEMENTS part, and I think you could really bring something to the project.

could you be anymore obnoxious?

i just changed the target of your statement, so any JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!AMAZING DISCOVERY!WITH THE OBVIOUS FUCKING IMPLICATIONS OF STATEMENTS awards go to you.

i'll give you another AMAZING DISCOVERY!, you're arguing against a categorization that people (none that i know of) wouldn't put themselves in.

it's more along the lines of "i've heard what you have to say about $diety and am not convinced". which is a difference from what you're foaming at the mouth against which is "i believe there is no god".

[pohibaba]

could you be anymore obnoxious?

This is Max we're talking about so the answer is no. He's just like Izzy, he tries to make friends with people by making fun of people. "All the cool kids do it, right?"

[Kyreth]

If you think religion and morality are bedfellows you are way beyond the thunderdome of reality my friend.

TWO MORALS ENTER! ONE MORAL LEAVE! TWO MORALS ENTER! ONE MORAL LEAVE!

[Max™]

This is Max, if it makes me laugh I post it, get the generalization right.

My point is simple: Atheism is illogical, Religion is illogical, Agnostic viewpoints are the only truly logical ones unless you or someone you know has some extra-universal proof or disproof of god.

[quannum]

This is Max, if it makes me laugh I post it, get the generalization right.

My point is simple: Atheism is illogical, Religion is illogical, Agnostic viewpoints are the only truly logical ones unless you or someone you know has some extra-universal proof or disproof of god.

everyone is an agnostic, that's entirely besides the point. agnosticism isn't mutually exclusive with respect to theist/atheist.

someone could come along and say "i don't know and i don't care, i think it's irrelevant" but that's agnostic + apathy or whatever

again, you're strawman of atheism is illogical, sure.

[Denchi]

illogical? You might want to take that up with centuries of philosophers, you might have some explaining to do.

[BRP]

illogical? You might want to take that up with centuries of philosophers, you might have some explaining to do.

Instead of telling someone "you have to go read, conversation over!" why not quote these philosophers?

[Max™]

"You are strawman of atheism is illogical"?

What?

How is this so confusing: belief or non-belief without proof or reason is not logical.

How is everyone agnostic, including the people with specific stated beliefs?

I may have to reconsider my offer, your ability to state obvious implications of other statements may not be as well developed as I thought it was.