CSI + Prison Break + X-Files = FRINGE

[Saga]

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Here's where this doesn't make sense. Peter vanishes, Walternate looks at Walter, and Walter looks back at Walternate, Walter looking like he just saw Walternate for the first time. By first time, I mean first time with this "new memory" of whatever, without Peter. Then, Walternate says, "You shattered my universe. Do you have any idea how many deaths you've caused?" Walter says, "What I did was an accident. What you have tried to do, you did on purpose."

So if Peter never existed, how the fuck did Walter "shatter" the other universe? Why would Walternate say that if Peter never existed? This is such bullshit. Are they now going to retcon the entire plot of how Walter started the tear in the universe? Or here's an idea: why didn't the observers just stop Walter from going to the other side and getting Peter? This show is terrible, I'm sorry. You don't just write out characters like they never existed. Oh, and Olivia getting shot in the head had no impact whatsoever, you knew she wasn't dead. Retarded =/= epic.

[Uzor]

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If they don't know peter existed then walter never crossed over in 1985 which caused this entire mess etc etc.

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Problem with that is, if Peter never existed, then Walter never crossed over in the first place to kidnap him. So technically, the two universes shouldn't be merged since Peter never existed to start the whole mess, nor did he exist to close the whole thing neither since he wasn't needed to close it as he never existed.

The whole thing feels like a cop-out, and I hope they explain it better next season. As the whole thing obviously happened earlier (otherwise Walternate wouldn't be blaming Walter). I'm guessing Peter still technically "exist" somewhere, just isn't.... remembered? Perhaps he's in a third universe? They did, after all, say that we might get a glimpse of other universes, didn't they?

[Qalbert]

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peter=tidus

lol

[Uzor]

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peter=tidus

lol

Oh god, you just ruined the series for me, lol

[Dimmauk]

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Did the observers say that he never existed? I thought they said dont/wont remember him.

I need to rewatch this again.

[Qalbert]

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"They won't remember him." "because he never existed"

or something to that effect.

[Tambor]

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December: "You were right, they don't remember Peter."
September (I believe that's his name, but he's the main observer): "How could they? He never existed."

Finale was a lot better than I expected, mainly because they didn't stick with the time skip. The "death" of a team member was a bit dissapointing but at least Astrid/Nina/Broyles are still alive as they were the most likely to die imo.

[Dimmauk]

This is how I felt afterwards.
http://www.memedepot.com/uploads/100...3230725640.jpg

[Tidane]

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Er, Peter didn't fix both universes. He didn't merge the universes (assuming you meant "merge" as in combined everything about both of them). Like he said, he created a bridge between them so both sides could work together to fix the problems they had created.

I also think that people are taking "he never existed" the wrong way. When the Observer said that, I immediately took it as "he never existed to them, so why would they notice he has gone missing?" In other words, the Observers were able to remove Peter from the timeline (or perhaps the machine did that), but that doesn't change what happened. If you assume that, in the Fringe universe, events are self-consistent, everything that has happened must happen, even if the person who caused it to occur doesn't exist. Obviously, we can't know how or why (right now), but Walter continued his other-universe experiments, which led Walternate to start a war.

Peter still exists, though. He his somewhere, outside of the timeline of the two universes that we have seen. Perhaps it will tie back into who the Observers are and where they come from. Why, or what explanation they'll come up with is beyond me. As soon as Peter disappeared, I made the assumption that Peter will attempt to "come back" or one of the Olivias will "remember" Peter and try to bring him back. The first seems more reasonable to me, while the second feels like something a writer might come up with.

[Saga]

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Er, Peter didn't fix both universes. He didn't merge the universes (assuming you meant "merge" as in combined everything about both of them). Like he said, he created a bridge between them so both sides could work together to fix the problems they had created.

I also think that people are taking "he never existed" the wrong way. When the Observer said that, I immediately took it as "he never existed to them, so why would they notice he has gone missing?" In other words, the Observers were able to remove Peter from the timeline (or perhaps the machine did that), but that doesn't change what happened. If you assume that, in the Fringe universe, events are self-consistent, everything that has happened must happen, even if the person who caused it to occur doesn't exist. Obviously, we can't know how or why (right now), but Walter continued his other-universe experiments, which led Walternate to start a war.

Peter still exists, though. He his somewhere, outside of the timeline of the two universes that we have seen. Perhaps it will tie back into who the Observers are and where they come from. Why, or what explanation they'll come up with is beyond me. As soon as Peter disappeared, I made the assumption that Peter will attempt to "come back" or one of the Olivias will "remember" Peter and try to bring him back. The first seems more reasonable to me, while the second feels like something a writer might come up with.

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Here's what we know. 1. Even after Peter vanishes from their memories, Walternate STILL blames Walter for shattering their universes. 2. Peter no longer "exists" to them, either in their memory or in reality. If #2 is true, then the reason behind #1 can't be Walter going to get Peter from the other side, because no one remembers him any more. So now we have a retarded cop-out explanation coming that's going to redefine how Walter actually shattered the universes in this new reality without Peter. All this shit is thrust in our face by the writers and we're told "here's what's happening, that means that now this other thing happened instead of that event we told you about and made you focus on for years and years. fuckin deal with it."

[Weiing]

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Well the producers said that Walter & William Bell were trying to crossover to the other universe even before the Peter incident. So...something else happened? But I guess to most, whatever else happened would seem like a cop-out as it almost makes everything we've seen...useless? I'm interested to see how they will re-incorporate Peter into the show... And what's happening next. It is somewhat frustrating though.. ugh

[Dimmauk]

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Well the producers said that Walter & William Bell were trying to crossover to the other universe even before the Peter incident. So...something else happened? But I guess to most, whatever else happened would seem like a cop-out as it almost makes everything we've seen...useless? I'm interested to see how they will re-incorporate Peter into the show... And what's happening next. It is somewhat frustrating though.. ugh

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I hope Peter doesnt pop every once in a while like he did when Olivia was in the other universe. He aint no Obi Wan Bishop. Also, did the otherlivia have a baby?

[Hoss]

Here is some decent info from the producers about the finale.
http://www.tvline.com/2011/05/fringe...eview-answers/

[Lordender]

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Well even without peter we know the other olivia's son has some influence on the machine, I assume the minute someone remembers peter they will still have some sort of access to the machine to possible change the time-line again. Olivia's telekinesis also has turned the machine off(on the otherside), so in some weird way she can influence the machine as well. Whats to say they don't end up using the machine to make peter exist again? I think the other olivia's son is going to be the key to bringing back peter in someway, the son has to be the loophole the Observers don't know about(yet). This is all of course if her son still exists without peter ever existing in the current time-line.

[Biggie]

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Am I the only person that feels this episode was a little cramped. This episode alone could have been three episodes at least. I hated the fact that Walter (in the future) told Peter he could change the outcome on what happened, and the next scene we are back in the past and things changed. Did he just sit there and magicly think about the past with a different outlook and BAM the past got changed?

I have a feeling Peter will return, either by Walter and or Olivia having memories of him, and they figure a way to bring him back, or the Observers bring him back to help fix the problems in the now current mixed universes?

[Saga]

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Am I the only person that feels this episode was a little cramped. This episode alone could have been three episodes at least. I hated the fact that Walter (in the future) told Peter he could change the outcome on what happened, and the next scene we are back in the past and things changed. Did he just sit there and magicly think about the past with a different outlook and BAM the past got changed?

I have a feeling Peter will return, either by Walter and or Olivia having memories of him, and they figure a way to bring him back, or the Observers bring him back to help fix the problems in the now current mixed universes?

I don't know, I didn't mind them condensing that part. Aren't you sick of the show going "oh my god, here's this CRAZY idea we're positing, there's no way that's going to work!!" 10 minutes later. "Okay, we think we found a way. We're going to try this experiment...oh boy, here goes...fuck. That didn't work." 10 minutes later. "It didn't work. We're all doomed. But wait! Walter had a revelation while tripping on LSD again! He forgot to configure the thing to Olivia's thing so both their things are on the same wavelength! God it was so obvious! Lets try again!" Oh what a fucking shock, now it works.

Let them skip that shit, please. Thanks.

[Zeb]

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or maybe Peter is still in the machine and this is another choice he is seeing if he should make. And maybe in the series finale next year we'll find out Peter has been going through thousands of realities looking for the right one.

[Eggroll]

I think this sums up watching the finale pretty well. Mind fuck

[Suit and Tie]

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All the Peter shit aside, I absolutely hate that they introduced a paradoxical time loop, this is LOST all over again ><!

[Uzor]

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December: "You were right, they don't remember Peter."
September (I believe that's his name, but he's the main observer): "How could they? He never existed."

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When did we learn their names? lol, I don't remember that >.O