Of Kclubs and Souleater

[Geno01]

ahh now i get it, the old if i cant do it you shouldnt be able to mentality.

[Sanjiyan]

1) Remove kraken club or;
2) Remove DRK from kraken club.

Problem solved.

Kraken club shouldn't have been made in the first place. Even if it's a shitty club no weapon should be able to attack 8 times in one round. Given what we know now anything like that is just plain broken.

Then again, SE probably didn't think that when they made it way back.

Aside from DRK, the only other job that can justifiably use it is a RNG. Removing the club or DRK from the club is a lot less absurb than removing souleater JA as a whole. Of course, either ways will result in RAGE and mass quitting of people from the game, but mostly people that rely heavily on it in the first place.

Not that I'm for such a thing, but it wouldn't result in anything bigger than the RNG nerf imo.

is to have souleater only proc on the first hit of any multi-hit weapon. If the code allows, then allow double and triple attack traits to proc it, but if the extra hits come from the weapon itself, then it doesn't proc. Normal weapons would thus be mostly unaffected.

Or that. Not a terrible idea. Same RAGE though if it happened.

[Spira]

Kettle Pot?

this could go on forever...


i personally feel KC + DRK is fine, since Blood Weapon is needed to make Souleater KC optimal without outside support. I feel that SE allows it because its making use of a weapon and a job in a specific combination that cannot be exploited 24/7...

[Seraph]

Souleater has a duration. It's not like Warrior's charge where its a one time use thing

Clearly the answer is to switch the timers for Blood Weapon and Soul Eater!

Seriously though, why is this an issue? This seems like a formally presented QQ essay on why life isn't fair. Noone in the group of friends I have has a KC, and I still don't care how strong it is. The KC zerg concept has led to many groups figuring out how to beat otherwise insane mobs.

Why is innovation a bad thing again?

[orson]

Ask yourself are you really annoyed that KCDrks are beating AV or the fact that SE refuses to throw us a single bone when it comes to fighting AV? Personally that's what pisses me off KCDrk is fine yes it's broken but SE recognizes that it's very powerful because it's one of the rarest items in the game (look at the lottery SE knows that weapon is awesome.) I am really annoyed that as a whole SE is fucking useless at giving us any hints as to how to do anything in this game. Think back to Strange Apparatuses and Goblin Drink, now we still have Almightly Apkulla, AV, and PW (PW might actually be fixed now.) The point is enough is enough sure figuring out a strategy is fun but stuff like AV is either meant to be retardly retardly hard being only able to be beaten by huge numbers of alliances taking it on wipe after wipe or it can be enfeebled either way SE should just fucking come out and say it or put a NPC in the game to help give info.

[Day]

this could go on forever...

Yeah except I couldn't care any less if my post count was 10k or 1 and certainly not enough to call someone out on it whilst doing the very same thing myself, and be serious about it.

[Ramses]

This is just stupid. Stupid. Seriously crying over something only an extremely limited few ls have the capability of doing across all servers is stupid. Even those ls will not be able to pull this off consistently. There is nobody that wants to know the real way to take AV down more than me, but nerfing souleater isn't going to make that happen any faster. Since 99% of ls don't have the capability to zerg AV, they will need to figure out another way. Even for kirin, the average ls still kills him the normal way. Stop being so influenced by the headlines and stop trying to ruin the game for other people. All this after just a few days of AV being adjusted and a few hours after the first kill. Stupid.

[Hogie]

Does everyone hear that? *BOOM* *BANG* *MOAR LIGHTNING SOUNDS*

Thats a huge shitstorm brewing

[Invictusx]

I am extremely glad that AV was defeated, I don't care about the method. It feels like a huge stick of rape was just shoved up SE's ass for killing it in a nontraditional sense.

They should have given us more clues by now, and this is the only way we know to kill it now.


NOW, there is a problem. No way in hell do many linkshells have the manpower / kraken club team to pull this off, so we still need to find the legit way of killing him, otherwise the 1 great linkshell of each server monopolizes AV.

[Seraph]

I'm not taking it personally I just hate that every time people bitch SE gives in and makes easy mode on everything.

Holy shit guys, two groups beat AV. A bunch of people with hardons for impossible shit just went flacid.

Where is the reset button, and how do we get out of very easy mode? /eyeroll

[Pleiades]

If they do anything to fix it.. it should be something gradual..

Retroactively changing existing encounters is going to make the weapon completely worthless

Make any new HNM or bosses immune to the drain effect of blood weapon.
Give a mob the ability to counter 20% of all melee swings from any direction.. stuff like that. Anything that basically says "no you cant ez-mode this".

Personally if I spent 30mil + on a kclub only to have the thing nerfed into uselessness I would flip my shit.

They obviously spend a lot of time designing stages into fights these days.. and burning mobs down before they even have time to do anything has to extremely frustrating for an encounter designer.

[Callisto]

So let me get this straight, an impossible to kill mob who facerapes everything it's seen for the last 3 years and has had people spend entire days on it just to lose is better than one that's possible to kill by at least some means? Aside from the fact that he still assfucks most normal groups and could still destroy a K.Club DRK group were it to use certain abilities in a certain order. And this is 'Easy Mode' and let's QQ about it?

That's bullshit, you're butthurt that you didn't get a Sash yet when someone else did. You couldn't kill it before, you probably can't kill it now, you want an hour fight after the hour fight you just did go play something else. I'll happily accept an hour fight followed by maybe a short fight with nice drops, then go on about my business doing something else and enjoying my time playing with my friends in my LS.

[kayn]

It just seems that baha zaghnal was put in the game for the soul purpose of drk zergs.
I doubt SE has any intention of ever doing such a nerf.

[Quixon]

What is this shit about LS's just resorting to "Throw more KClub DRKs at it"....

You do realize there's probably fewer than 6 Linkshells that even have the ability to Zerg AV this way??

This is only going to resort to people whining b/c their Linkshells don't have enough resources to pull something like this.

[Geno01]

What is this shit about LS's just resorting to "Throw more KClub DRKs at it"....

You do realize there's probably fewer than 6 Linkshells that even have the ability to Zerg AV this way??

This is only going to resort to people whining b/c their Linkshells don't have enough resources to pull something like this.

Seems to be the point of this whole thread.

[Tyrath]

All I hear is a bunch of whiny people who are jealous that their LS can't do it this way.

I don't expect to be getting any sashes or mars' rings myself, but I think its great that the linkshells who did beat it did it. Huge slap in the face for SE's "desired way" and I'm all for it.

[Juront]

Wow guys. You cry that AV is too difficult, then cry because it is "SO EASY" now, when in reality only one LS has beaten it so far. YOU go beat AV, then tell us how easy it is.

And why on earth would they remove an item that is MORE RARE than most relics?

[ninjafox]

Clearly the answer is to switch the timers for Blood Weapon and Soul Eater!

Seriously though, why is this an issue? This seems like a formally presented QQ essay on why life isn't fair. Noone in the group of friends I have has a KC, and I still don't care how strong it is. The KC zerg concept has led to many groups figuring out how to beat otherwise insane mobs.

Why is innovation a bad thing again?

I wasn't sayin this was an issue. I was replying to the person saying that SE should only effect the first hit on a multi-hit weapon, which imo is a silly idea because SE has a duration and is not a single hit ability

[jaryk]

This thread is absolutely moronic. Instead of debating the merit of the fact that SE has patched AV multiple times and have given us nothing more than obscure references/video, we're going to now attack people's method of killing it. If SE wants people to kill it another way they need to present something firm to the playerbase. People shouldn't be punished because they figured out a strategy that works based on the fact that there's no real data to support anything else.

[Builttolast]

So let me get this straight, an impossible to kill mob who facerapes everything it's seen for the last 3 years and has had people spend entire days on it just to lose is better than one that's possible to kill by at least some means? Aside from the fact that he still assfucks most normal groups and could still destroy a K.Club DRK group were it to use certain abilities in a certain order. And this is 'Easy Mode' and let's QQ about it?

That's bullshit, you're butthurt that you didn't get a Sash yet when someone else did. You couldn't kill it before, you probably can't kill it now, you want an hour fight after the hour fight you just did go play something else. I'll happily accept an hour fight followed by maybe a short fight with nice drops, then go on about my business doing something else and enjoying my time playing with my friends in my LS.

I don't want nor need any drops from AV but don't let that stop your accusations. I'm sorry if the game was too hard for you, maybe you should get better at it first.