All Worlds Maintenance (Sep. 16)

[Mifaco]

I, for one, will look forward to the delicious tears from the krakeners when they realize their "Push Win Button" strategy is worthless.

[Sev]

Actual broken things in the game from the last update:

Salvage not allowing players in for over 45 min with two people in the zone:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ev/gmrahlk.jpg

Also the same issue with assualts.

The frog charm instanly wearing off.

These are actual things that they broke not waaaaah av waaah.

[Ramses]

people are starting to get mad at KC because of how AV is being down its showing how unfair the thing really is. we think back to DL, and ya its strong but every job has its place there. Now we see omg... its the only way we can think of to kill AV its showing just how strong it is. (yes people always knew it was out of hand strong but this just opened everyones eyes)

thats how i see it. and people now see what it can truly do and are just like every other time screaming nerf. me too.

People didn't know it was strong 3 years ago when that video of the 4 KC drks downing bv2 was posted?

[Priran]

people are starting to get mad at KC because of how AV is being down its showing how unfair the thing really is. we think back to DL, and ya its strong but every job has its place there. Now we see omg... its the only way we can think of to kill AV its showing just how strong it is. (yes people always knew it was out of hand strong but this just opened everyones eyes)

this is a problem with AV, not kraken clubs

[evilpaul]

Consider the THF knife. While the knife is as functional as it ever was, SE had no problem destroying its economic value.

I'm hoping this update tomorrow does the same with the Hocho.

[MaachaQ]

The frog charm instanly wearing off.

We had a lucky thf today who was waiting for weakness to wear off while we fought Poroggo Madame, 8 people got charmed and ran at him, but uncharmed as soon as we reached him, twice! Maybe it's a glitch, but it was kinda nice for the thf ^^;

[dejet]

ok heres how it goes, before you post with people did not know bla bla, think for a sec, AV a mob never killed before the "right way" is killed by means that we use. people are happy. BUT WAIT! only job used was DRK. ya^^ thats great. im got lvl drk now and spam the BCNM60 till i get myself a club and can be used! people always used K clubs thats not what im saying i am saying that this Event of AV dieing and only way seems to be drk shows just how overpowered it is. this is why people are getting pissed. its not just me its everyone that seems to be mad over it. you can fight me all you want but just think about what im saying. it OPENED more peoples eye on just how strong it is.

[Weeks]

Just drop it. If you'd actually fought AV before, you wouldn't be cheering for a nerf of the only strategy that has worked since they cleaned up his behavior code. If they nerf SE zerg, AV kills stop, period.

The dev team just needs to suck it up and realize that this is just another HNM with drops that people want, not a showcase for how vindictive they can be.

[Sev]

ok heres how it goes, before you post with people did not know bla bla, think for a sec, AV a mob never killed before the "right way" is killed by means that we use. people are happy. BUT WAIT! only job used was DRK. ya^^ thats great. im got lvl drk now and spam the BCNM60 till i get myself a club and can be used! people always used K clubs thats not what im saying i am saying that this Event of AV dieing and only way seems to be drk shows just how overpowered it is. this is why people are getting pissed. its not just me its everyone that seems to be mad over it. you can fight me all you want but just think about what im saying. it OPENED more peoples eye on just how strong it is.

Yes because DRK is the only job used period, Drk is nothing w/o bards with buffs or the mages curing them and lets not forget that pesky jol fight! If your linkshell is good enough they could get everyone a title one sash at a time.

[Mega]

Yes because DRK is the only job used period, Drk is nothing w/o bards with buffs or the mages curing them and lets not forget that pesky jol fight! If your linkshell is good enough they could get everyone a title one sash at a time.

Bar 99% of the shells lacking top tier DRK capable of downing AV before it goes into rape-face mode.

[Rya]

Bar 99% of the shells lacking top tier DRK capable of downing AV before it goes into rape-face mode.

This is the reason why AV shouldnt be changed imo, unless ofc SE provide a way of actualy killing it in a standard way. I think the thing that people fear is that if they change it so that i can no longer be zerged it will once again be unkillable.

If they change AV so that it can not be zerged in 30seconds but do provide us with the information to kill it, then i dont think that many people will care.

[Arthars]

im a drk

i can buy 3 KC

i also dont "fancy" a DRK only zerg not because im jealous of the drops you guys are getting
ITS BECAUSE THIS MEANS SHIT IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN AND SE MIGHT NERF USSSSSSSSSSssssssssss NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

those guys that killed AV should have kept quiet, and not spam the AV thread posting your drops AND "downed with <insert number> of DRK" there.........

it sounds more like you guys are telling SE to nerf drk than to tell people what you have accomplished: killing AV zzzzzzzzzz

but again, this is BG, where people claim first blood and post phat l00ts

tbh, if SE nerf KC drk and make AV unkillable anymore......its not because of the whiners........its mainly because of the massive successful DRK onry zerg those "high-end" linkshells members have posted in the AV thread.

contradicting eh? who would have thought the guys who come up with the AV DRK zerg strategy, succeeded in doing it, encouraged other LS to try, and massive dorp spams are the main culprits and not the whiners -_-

brb using souleater xN outside WG before i get hit with the nerf bat

[Kroot]

SE can and probably did watch the AV fights so not talking about is not going to hide what happened

[Arthars]

sorry forgot post 2nd culprit

stupid SE for not testing their mobs

where are the ATNM goblins when you need them

[Ahlah]

I know ppl are going to call me a troll but there must be a legit way to kill AV, albeit a very long one. Those characters in SE AV video are just as fragile as normal players, somehow they manage to survive 10hr+ fight without triggering chainspell meteor. And we still haven't figured out the secret behind spamming 2hr.

SE didn't change AV HP and behaviour to make DRK zerg possible. They made it 100% spawn rate so that players will have more opportunity to test their strategy on AV. And lower HP means shorter fight and less chance of full wipe due to AV's 2hr.

[arshesney]

DRK zerg has been "nerfed" already (Rune Chopper) leaving only KC/Relic DRKs as powerful as before (and m.kris or ridill to an extent).
SE is well aware of the potential of KCDRKs, and it is unlikely that they decided to drastically reduce AV's hp without considering that. They also know (probably) how many KC's are present on each server.
If any nerf is going to happen it is only due to a "you borked my toy!" crying dev.

They should know at this point that if they change AV again without telling players how their warped minds want us to kill the damn thing, AV will (in less than a week) return to be the postcard mob it was before.

[Ruiner]

people are happy. BUT WAIT! only job used was DRK. ya^^ thats great.

Yeah, there was no THF to Feint AV allowing the DRKs to hit it. And there sure as hell weren't and BRDs to SV March and Madrigal the DRKs, either, nor RDMs to Haste. And who the fuck would be stupid enough to think that there were MNK/DRKs putting up respectable numbers to support the DRKs? Probably only the retards who also think they had WHMs to keep the DRKs alive.

[Ahlah]

Or it may actually encourage endgame LS to develop a strategy based on the video provided by SE?

Get a tank party that consists of 4 PLD+RDM/NIN, a bunch of BLM and try again before we completely rule out the possibility of defeating AV the normal way. AV has 100% spawn rate now, all it takes are a few well thought strategies and 2-3 endgame LS can team up to hold AV and take turn to test the them out.

[Amele]

DRK zerg has been "nerfed" already (Rune Chopper) leaving only KC/Relic DRKs as powerful as before (and m.kris or ridill to an extent).
SE is well aware of the potential of KCDRKs, and it is unlikely that they decided to drastically reduce AV's hp without considering that. They also know (probably) how many KC's are present on each server.
If any nerf is going to happen it is only due to a "you borked my toy!" crying dev.

They should know at this point that if they change AV again without telling players how their warped minds want us to kill the damn thing, AV will (in less than a week) return to be the postcard mob it was before.

I was under the impression that the global attack speed cap hurt apoc / apoc+bz zerging as well? or does apoc's haste break the 80% barrier?

[Nattack]

80% haste cap from any source, apoc/Lastresort was nerfed.