Absolute Virtue 9/16/08

[Praetorian]

True, however we don't know HOW to fight him correctly. People tried to mimic the videos but to no luck.

Yeah, I know. I was just pointing out to the person whom I quoted that AV is beatable... people seem to constantly forget that once we figure out the trick, we won't have to deal with the two hours and meteor anymore.

[Corrderio]

Really dont know what the "trick" is to AV - it should be something mroe fun and simple. Like making a Skillchain with Chailerweapons and sealing away 2hrs with that or something.

Speaking of a trick. I am wondering if SCs would have anything to do with the lock. I would think so. However AV was added when SCs first started to die off from my experience. So it'd kind of doubtful.

[Ramses]

Yeah, I know. I was just pointing out to the person whom I quoted that AV is beatable... people seem to constantly forget that once we figure out the trick, we won't have to deal with the two hours and meteor anymore.

You're missing the point. I know he is killable in theory, my point was the chances of us doing it are very unlikely. And btw, there was no point in the video where AV stopped using abilities and two hours.

[Corrderio]

You're missing the point. I know he is killable in theory, my point was the chances of us doing it are very unlikely. And btw, there was no point in the video where AV stopped using abilities and two hours.

After looking at it, I do agree it didn't lock two hours. However when AV used Chainspell/Manafont I didn't see it cast Metor

[Correction]

I have a strategy that requires 100 Ninjas to beat AV who's with me?

I have an idea of how that would go down:

Ninja1 uses Mijin Gakure. Absolute Virtue takes 1200 damage.
Ninja2 uses Mijin Gakure. Absolute Virtue takes 1200 damage.
Ninja3 uses Mijin Gakure. Absolute Virtue takes 14 damage.
Ninja4 uses Mijin Gakure. Absolute Virtue takes 14 damage.
Ninja5 uses Mijin Gakure. Absolute Virtue takes 14 damage.
Ninja6 uses Mijin Gakure. Absolute Virtue takes 14 damage.
Absolute Virtue uses RapeTheAlliance.

[bolkin]

Sorry if this sound so stupid. What about the new WS from mythic weapons? Has anyone tried using those on AV and if yes, how much damage do they do to him?

[Ramses]

After looking at it, I do agree it didn't lock two hours. However when AV used Chainspell/Manafont I didn't see it cast Metor

They never show him use manafont in the video. He doesn't cast meteor during chanspell.

[Corrderio]

They never show him use manafont in the video. He doesn't cast meteor during chanspell.

True, but according to what I read. He can only use Metor/Comet while he has Manafont of Chainspell up. But like I said. Maybe 2Hs have something to do with him not using Metor.

That's just a theory I'm REALLY grasphing ground for though. Since I can't just think of anything else.

[Arthars]

This isn't how they want some of the best drops in the game to get into the economy, 14 drks slapping their penis on him.

this phase wins the thread

well at least its a AV buff not a drk nerf

so theres still hope!

[ronin sparthos]

Sorry if this sound so stupid. What about the new WS from mythic weapons? Has anyone tried using those on AV and if yes, how much damage do they do to him?

So THIS is the solution to AV.... you take new weaponskills and use them as the weakness to a monster thats been in the game since before Aht existed!

Someone fire up the time machine!

Seriously... why would new weaponskills do anything different to AV? You know... besides waste his time before he anally probes you with a large sharp rock.

[Ramses]

Before posting theories or questions, read at least the first post of this page: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54482

All the info is pretty much still relevant except the reactionary stuff was debunked.

[MillionDollarMan]

How many linkshells have actually TRIED to fight AV straight up besides Excellence since the update? I think Excellence will kill AV straight up because they are the greatest linkshell in the history of FFXI.

[Ahlah]

There is nothing wrong with meleeburn. SE obviously have no problem with that. They don't think players will go through the hassle to level/gear up DRK to participate in Kirin or Bv2 fight because 1) it can be done with a mixture of melee jobs and DRK is not essential to achieve victory and 2) the rewards are not worth the effort required to level/gear up multiple DRK. AV is a different story because only DRK armies can pull off the fight and the rewards are worth a lot more.

Ppl should really re-examine the 2hr theory and try to figure out what it does to AV. Post-update, AV is supposed to despawn within 2hrs after JoL is spawned, which means players only get use their 2hr once throughout the whole fight.

[Lordwafik]

I sent this email to their comments/suggestions thingy :

Hi. Yes yes yet another Absolute Virtue comment.

My suggestion is this : As of current , players do not know if they are making progress with AV, or if they are causing him to become more aggressive with the actions the players are doing.

Is it possible to put in some text during the battle?

For example, the Animated Weapons in Dynamis-Xarcabard will respond to you saying they are interested, and will fight longer, or they will say they are getting bored and then start to leave.

If SE wants us to solve this puzzle of AV, we will need to know if we are doing something right or something wrong. As of now it's very confusing, and we don't understand if the actions we are performing have any effect on AV or not. Adding "AV speak" would be a great help to let us narrow down what we need to do.

Otherwise you can leave him as is and people will continue to hate your company for releasing a puzzle with no way of realizing if you're heading in the right direction or not.

Have a nice day!

What we need is a more obvious hint in knowing if we're doing the battle plan according to their method or not.

[Ploid]

Well, its certainly not the ideal fix but I know quite a few people with krakens that are at least relived it was a 'fix' to AV instead of a 'fix' to souleater or kraken club. I fully expected that SE, being who they are, would have just knocked drk zerging off the table completely. At least that didn't happen.


Having said that, I've yet to see one person tell SE what they think about AV with their wallet so I'll be the first. It's not an AV issue for me. It's a customer service issue. There is no other form of entertainment I've ever been involved with where the provider continually took a big dump on the chest of the customer like SE does. But because people like myself have invested RL hours (heck, at this point RL years) into the game they won't walk no matter how badly we are treated. Well, I was on the fence anyway and because of this I'll be spending my 27.95 elsewhere. Not that it matters, next year they will get 10000x that when people want to hit the mog bananza again, which is nothing more than a band-aid over the huge gaping puss ridden wound that reading two pages worth of threads on this board could tell you the bulk of players have been pissed about for 3-4 years.


I, and I bet I'm not alone, am just tired of SE 'fixing' every little imbalance and bit of ingenuity by cutting something off at the legs instead of incorporating a real solution.

-when I hit rng 75 they totally decimated the job and it didn't recover for years
-when I leveled blm they made it where a fully merited/geared blm would get smashed in damage by a new 75 if the newbie's spell landed first by one second.
-when I maxed digging they put the fatigue limit on because they can't stop bots
-when I maxed fishing they put in that idiotic fishing game and fatigue and there are STILL bots.
-when I leveled ninja they made it where a naked war with byakkos axe could clobber me.


and now they have swung the mighty bat of 'balance' once again. A few people got their krakens by luck. A few by RMT. But most I know got theirs by killing a billion spiders and selling the drops. And with one push of a button it could be turned into a thf knife 2.0. At least it was only made worthless on one mob, but still....this is crap when time consuming accomplishments are neutered just because there are now 10 sashes on all servers after 3 years....

I believe I'll be spending this months 28 bucks on a 12 pack of shiner bock beer and a 3 day rental of Conan the Barbarian. I'll be rooting for the players, if for no other reason than knowing that day will come again where you guys will sneak in the back door and kick SE square in the sack for a few days before they can call yet another maintenance to put the proletarians back 'in their place.'

Oh you won't be the first. A lot of people stopped because of those reasons. It's not just one reason, but a lot of annoying stuff. More relaxing outside looking in I'll tell you that.

[Paralyzed]

What I have a problem with is when as many as 5 LS's are able to take AV down on a single server within 1 minute of engaging him less then a week after he has been nerfed (infact kclub zergs started the night he was nerfed didn't they?).

Congratulations to all those who whined, your linkshell still can't kill it, but now the people who could before, can't. I guess that makes everyone even now doesn't it? Who cares they spent time and money on Kraken Clubs or whatever, in FFXI every run of the mill crap linkshells should just be as strong as the dedicated and vetern linkshells.

People who call for nerfs for any job should go dig themselves a grave, and crawl into it.

The problem wasn't kraken DRKs; Kraken DRKs was the only way the player base has found to kill this stupid mob, except for exploitable terrain glitches. Maybe if SE wasn't retarded and would provide a hint that doesn't require professional detectives to spend years trying to decipher this wouldn't be such bullshit. But I guess now we can look forward to spending another couple of years trying to figure out how to kill this, or we'll grow tired of it and not give a shit anymore. All I can hope for is somehow SE also ninja'd a way into killing this thing "legitimaly" as you whiners so put it.

Oh and at least I can say that SE wasn't dumb enough to nerf DRK + Souleater + Multihit Weapon... yet.

I seriously doubt that SE nerfed it because people on the internet whined about it, and this post seems angrier than I really am (wisdom tooth probably reason for that lulz), but this kind of shit gets under my skin.

[Priran]

I sent this email to their comments/suggestions thingy :

Make AV like the Animated weapons!

yeah there's the solution, trade a mechanic no one has figured out... for another mechanic no one has figured out.

if you want to play hot or cold with AV, here's a handy guide: meteor means you're getting colder.

[Lordwafik]

Trade what? I am saying add it in.

Here's a handy guide to what I was saying : If we got a hint to what we're doing wrong or right, we could *gasp* prevent that meteor (if it's possible).

[Priran]

except that's reliant on the idea that someone has already stumbled on how to weaken AV, but it just mystically did not work.

[Deftscythe]

I don't want hints, I don't want videos, I don't want anymore of vague cryptic bullshit. You want us to kill it your way? Fine, tell us what it is. Players aren't having fun theorycrafting it or losing xp to test things. It hasn't been fun for at like two and a half years.