Mythic vs. Relic, a "Should I upgrade" Thread.

[Sekkite]

If you think the aftermath acc/attack bonus is going to be much more than 20 you havent played FFXI very long. And lol at instacast absorb spells and additional effects. You underestimate what SE considers overpowered.

Considering the 50%~ double attack rate that was shown at the fan festival, I wouldn't think it outlandish to say the Aftermath bonus to att/acc could be over 20.

And I was just tossing the thoughts out there for absorbs. It's not going to be the same boost that DRK JSE gives, so I just gave examples of what else it could possibly be.

[Cream Soda]

Not currently planning to upgrde, but am saving Nyzul tokens and Ejar Ampules. Spare the alex, get the long term stuff out of the way. So if the weps turn out to be good, I can at least be that far in.

[Nama]

Sam weapon has potential but i dont think it will beat amano in some situations a big one being hnms. Rana is even worse then kaiten)on high def stuff( My ranas dmg gets raped hard by anything with decent def) so unless the weapon itself provides some hidden additional boost to the ws i dont see it beating amano alot except in exp and really really low def/eva stuff.

[Izzy]

I don't see why you're knocking the SMN weapon Q_Q. -4 perpetuation is better than anything else in the game.

[Ruiner]

Excal's additional effect doesn't proc offhand?

Anyone know the answer to this? I'm actually kind of intrigued.

[Lyramion]

Anyone know the answer to this? I'm actually kind of intrigued.

Nop - Offhand rellics are "blank" now. No Add effect no nothing. Just D and Delay - not even the ATK+20

[Ruiner]

That's really fucking stupid.

[Lordwafik]

THF's weapon is bad for main handing, not so bad for offhanding. However, offhanding it means you lose SATA bonus that the WS gives, and the aftermath not working in offhand means this weapon is a gigantic waste of time to get.

If I could get the 20 attack from my mandau in my offhand, I'd upgrade it, but considering that introducing level sync's "Strip all positives!!!" also stripped my +20 attack I got from it, I aint touching Vajra. Shame, I was looking forward to having it as offhand to my mandau untill I read the patch notes. They really need to let us have things working on offhand if they want us to use it considering the huge DoT loss from not using mercy stroke and from using a 31 dmg weapon with 200 delay.


PS : Offhand never worked for additional effect, I could never enpoison a mob with it in offhand (trick I used in salvage, when it comes to mobs we have to sleep, I'll swap my daggers around), nor could I do a triple dmg proc, however I used to be able to have +20 attack, not anymore!

[Kaylia]

woosh.

Here's hoping Conquerer adds more attack to Berserk instead of working like AF2 boots. >(

I'm not going to say no to an "atk+" , but "augment" make me think it might be completely different.

And no defense penalty wouldnt be that bad, berserk killed me more than once already, and it would allow you to use berserk+defender combo efficiently in certain situation, without clicking berserk off.


On topic. I'm going to say it's case by case. Some nyzul relic look amazing, while other look subpar (hard to comment until we saw the "augment effect" on those tho). However, until alexandrite change, i would just do relic weapon >_>

[Therin]

I would say apoc would not be blown away by liberator, and would still think apoc would come ahead in DoT and overall usefullness.

You haven't played a two-handed DD have you. a

Poor Apoc won't stand a chance when Liberators start showing up, trust me. I think you're greatly underestimating the doubt attack bit. This weapon will allow you to use a stronger weaponskill than Catastrophe at at least 1.5x the frequency. Our beloved 6-hit build just became a 4-hit build (over time). That's the amount of difference it makes.

Also, I'd be happy with Conqueror removing the defense down effect. x_x Tired of getting hit with Eagle Eye Shot for 1500 and double attack crit on Salvage Chariots for 500+ each time. Not that I'll ever get a Conqueror - if I ever get a mythic weapon at all, I'll be stuck with Burtgang, because SE made the damn thing so fucking amazing that I'd be stupid to get anything else.

[Indalecia]

If its double attack is indeed like joytoy, yeah, apoc's done. Doesn't matter what the other stats are. It could have increased poison duration, would still rock it.

[Kaylia]

Also, I'd be happy with Conqueror removing the defense down effect. x_x Tired of getting hit with Eagle Eye Shot for 1500 and double attack crit on Salvage Chariots for 500+ each time. Not that I'll ever get a Conqueror - if I ever get a mythic weapon at all, I'll be stuck with Burtgang, because SE made the damn thing so fucking amazing that I'd be stupid to get anything else.

Or even normal WS like sickle slash and fang rush. But yeah, I had chariot tanking in mind when I posted this.
After a certain point, staying alive is much more important than killing faster imo.

[Max™]

Maybe Augment's Berserk gives a stupid critical hit rate increase or something...

they made jumps autocrit dammit...

Either way, yeah, Burtgang is so sexy, I'd upgrde it, and my Pld is only 27.

[Neosutra]

You haven't played a two-handed DD have you. a

Poor Apoc won't stand a chance when Liberators start showing up, trust me. I think you're greatly underestimating the doubt attack bit. This weapon will allow you to use a stronger weaponskill than Catastrophe at at least 1.5x the frequency. Our beloved 6-hit build just became a 4-hit build (over time). That's the amount of difference it makes.

Also, I'd be happy with Conqueror removing the defense down effect. x_x Tired of getting hit with Eagle Eye Shot for 1500 and double attack crit on Salvage Chariots for 500+ each time. Not that I'll ever get a Conqueror - if I ever get a mythic weapon at all, I'll be stuck with Burtgang, because SE made the damn thing so fucking amazing that I'd be stupid to get anything else.

Can anyone give me the hit rate increase of a drk in full haste gear, with marchs, given that he uses catastrophe (i.e. what hit rate increase does that corrospond too).

Obviously its going to be less than a 50% increase. But 20% increase in hit rate + 10 base damage + double damage + endrain on WS is pretty hard to beat. Your DoT may be similar to liberator, but we will have to see. Not to mention, no Light2 SCs.

I am fully aware of the implecations of a jailer weapon version of a scythe with 92 base damage. But im trying to do a direct comparison to DoT from hit rate increase from cata's haste, 10 base damage, and other factors.

[Zumi]

The people that tested the weapons at that summit event did not determine if double attack was linked to aftermath or was always active?

It makes a lot of difference if you always have double attack or not.

[Sekkite]

Can anyone give me the hit rate increase of a drk in full haste gear, with marchs, given that he uses catastrophe (i.e. what hit rate increase does that corrospond too).

Obviously its going to be less than a 50% increase. But 20% increase in hit rate + 10 base damage + double damage + endrain on WS is pretty hard to beat. Your DoT may be similar to liberator, but we will have to see. Not to mention, no Light2 SCs.

I am fully aware of the implecations of a jailer weapon version of a scythe with 92 base damage. But im trying to do a direct comparison to DoT from hit rate increase from cata's haste, 10 base damage, and other factors.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Guillotine is a stronger WS then Catastrophe and is used when the haste buff from Catastrophe doesn't need to be renewed (and if the healing isn't needed). Seeing as I don't have an Apocalypse though, I could be wrong!

Don't forget the +att boost on Aftermath as well. It helps to lower the disparity between the base damage of the two weapons.

[Neosutra]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Guillotine is a stronger WS then Catastrophe and is used when the haste buff from Catastrophe doesn't need to be renewed (and if the healing isn't needed). Seeing as I don't have an Apocalypse though, I could be wrong!

Don't forget the +att boost on Aftermath as well. It helps to lower the disparity between the base damage of the two weapons.

Yes, but you would need one hell of an attack boost to make up that much loss in base damage.

Still think Liberator would win out in total hits/WS damage and Apoc would win out in DoT and survivability, but I dont have my charts on me to determine the exact boost in hit rate the extra hate gives Q.Q (assume double marchs, but who doesnt party with 2 brds these days!?)

[Indalecia]

Yes, but you would need one hell of an attack boost to make up that much loss in base damage.

Still think Liberator would win out in total hits/WS damage and Apoc would win out in DoT and survivability, but I dont have my charts on me to determine the exact boost in hit rate the extra hate gives Q.Q (assume double marchs, but who doesnt party with 2 brds these days!?)

Brd + cor onry prz

[VZX]

Unless Gastraphetes have Snapshot+25 or higher, I don't think it'll be really worth it.
Enhances Barrage accuracy? treat barrage as multi-hit WS instead of concatenation of landed shot? doesn't really change 2 dangerous aspects when someone does barrage : pull hate, instant 100 TP.

No comment on SAM weapon, unless the enhancement can make the 3rd eye on till the next 3rd Eye is up again 90% of the time, it won't be that much helpful

Tizona is really the weapon I'm looking for. Assuming it's 100% conversion rate and 100% activation rate, there's nothing more one could ask

[Neosutra]

You really think tizona will have a 100% conversion/activation rate >.>.

Id say around 5-10% if your lucky on activation rate. Which would still rock.

Also, to the above "brd + cor only" comment, you would have those with the apoc as well >.>, we were talking about the attack boost from aftermath.