Gardening

[Reeno]

I just recently took interest in gardening and searched the forums and couldn't find anything informative about it, basically my plan is to have about 5 gardening mules and my question is. Is there any really profitable things to garden and is there any moghancement items i should get, and is any nation better for gardening then another? any help would be appreciated^^


if this is in the wrong section i'm sorry ):

[Falisa]

http://adventuresinbentomaking.com/pikko/index.html

I don't really know how often this is updated, but I remember using this when I dabbled in gardening a bit.

[solsovly]

Gardening mog enhancements are useful so you can miss a day or two and not have your plants die. Profits vary by server unless you are doing NPC'd stuff.

Easy thing to start on is cuttings --> saplings or the various wildgrass npc stuff. Most people are more acceptable towards day/element theories in gardening, I just ignored them due to RL time restrictions and did fine.

[Vigilia]

Get proper flowerpots. And I mean at least porcelain/brass (crafted), preferably wooden/arcane (quested). NPC-purchased pots like earthen and ceramic generally yield the lowest results. Even if you screw up and only get rock salt or gysahl greens, it's still better to get 2 stacks than just 2 items.

[Bakthi]

While Brass can be crafted, it costs the same ~1k from NPCs as those other two.

[Reeno]

yea i was thinking about making 5 mules and 10 elemental ores on each one, they sell for about 100K/each on my server.

[Thistle]

yea i was thinking about making 5 mules and 10 elemental ores on each one, they sell for about 100K/each on my server.

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Wow. Good luck with that. I get maybe one ore every two harvests (just one mule growing things). I think it's been three harvests (three months) since I last got one. I'm seriously considering giving up and selling off my pots. (All wooden/arcane.)

If you're doing this because you need money, I'd look at growing things to sell to the NPCs instead. (I need/needed ores for skilling.)

[DeathbySnoosnoo]

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Wow. Good luck with that. I get maybe one ore every two harvests (just one mule growing things). I think it's been three harvests (three months) since I last got one. I'm seriously considering giving up and selling off my pots. (All wooden/arcane.)

If you're doing this because you need money, I'd look at growing things to sell to the NPCs instead. (I need/needed ores for skilling.)

Thats odd I usually at least get 1-3 ores out of 10 pots.

[Fareal]

I usually pull in 1-3 elemental ores each character per harvest. (Though I currently have 6 characters; 3 growing ores and the other 3 growing cuttings into saplings, after which I sell the excess saplings once I have 30 saplings ready.) So in one month's time, I'll have 3-9 ores, and around 10-30 saplings to sell.

Mostly I just plant on the day of the element ore (windsday for wind ore, firesday for fire, ect..), and also feed the same crystals as the element of the ore I want, on the same day.
(Except light ores - Just plant them on lightsday and check daily)

Aside from checking daily when I log in, when I also feed I check every plant once before feeding and then again right after. Same for harvesting - checking before harvest.

It would be best to check your server's price for specific ores, and then look on anysite for the possible "garbage" outcomes for that ore, and how much money the "garbage" sells for. It is a given you WILL not get an ore on every pot, so try to minimize losses. I do this by rotateing between Wind Ore (Windy Tea Leaves are the garbage, but you get a few million of them and people on Carbuncle them buy for 1,200 fairly quickly); And Light Ore (Just NPC every thing else you grow - Gold Leaves and Reishi Mushrooms, each goes for around 1,300 to NPC).

But, Gardening is a good supplement to income. I never felt like it could be a main source of income. Though I guess if one had enough characters you could live off it, or if you just don't spend much gil in the first place. I still spend some time farming and crafting during the month between harvests when I'm not doing anything.

[DeathbySnoosnoo]

What's your information, and how do you get this?

by that i mean: what day, what kind of pots, what kind of ores, what's your elemental strength, etc.

I don't pay attention to day much.
Porcelin Pots.
I usually do Light ores or Thunder ores. (I only do light when I'm in no hurry for gils as they take longer but they usually sell within seconds.)
Nothing in my mog house except 2 maples tables and 10 pots.

[Antithesis]

I hate growing tree plants there the worst imo. Stuff like grain and veggie plants give best results per profit imo.

[Valisk]

I know this is un-related, but wasn't there a trick to guarantee an elemental ore that got patched a while back? Just curious as to how that worked even tho it's irrelevant now.

[Mafai]

Filling your inventory and leaving only 1 spot would give an error about gardening *UNLESS* the item was one slot. Usually the yields for ores (when its not an ore) is over 12x of an item, requiring 2 spots. So you would keep spamming harvest until it was a 1 slot yield, which would be an ore.

[zantes]

Filling your inventory and leaving only 1 spot would give an error about gardening *UNLESS* the item was one slot. Usually the yields for ores (when its not an ore) is over 12x of an item, requiring 2 spots. So you would keep spamming harvest until it was a 1 slot yield, which would be an ore.

AFAIK, this was never actually proven to work (for producing ores). It of course won't let you harvest anything if you don't have enough room.

[Acturus]

Please keep track for me. I have mog gardening, never less than faint and usually stronger, and i can't pull that many ores out. And I have better pots. I'm really fucking curious.

Curious.

I have 26 gardening mules that I garden in cycles with, and I've consistantly seen an average 10% yield on Ore. I've been gardening with 10 mules for nearly three years, and with the full 26 for about a year and a half now. Most of my mules have no other furnishings besides the pots (a few have those event furnishings placed... the doll rack and the lantern thing). Every single one of my mules has ceramic flowerpots purchased from the vendor in N. San d'Oria near the zoneline.

I plant on the appropriate day matching the element of the ore I want, I do not check the plants until it is time to feed a crystal, then I feed on the appropriate day of the element again. I do this for both feedings, and then I harvest as close to the "middle" of the harvest period that I can, when the "lights" on the flowers are "blinking fastest."

My most recent harvest was 8 mules at 10 pots each, and I got 11 ore. I don't remember anything special about moonphase or anything, sorry, but I've come to expect at least 10% yield on ore.

[Yuri-G]

I only did ores once but apparently I had insane luck with them, I got 3/10. It was worth it imo, especially since the other items will still sell for a decent amount. I would say the key points to keep in mind for ores are:
- Feed your plant the crystal of the element you want on the same elemental day.
- Check your plants at least once, if not twice a day. Overkill? Maybe, but I did twice a day and my results rocked. It takes five seconds to do anyway.
- Stock your moghouse full of furnishings that raise the element you want. This isn't proven but I'm of the opinion that it's a big help. Earth is easiest to do since flowerpots are earth element already, and you can enhance that with super-cheap tables.
- Harvest on the right elemental day. Probably doesn't make a difference but can't hurt.

[Thistle]

I think part of my hard time with ores is that I'm unable (and unwilling) to deal with planting/feeding/harvesting them on X day. I check them daily, feed them on whatever day it is when I'm home for lunch, and harvest them when they glow.

Really, I probably shouldn't be gardening at all. That's why I do it on only one mule instead of all of them.

[Acturus]

I think part of my hard time with ores is that I'm unable (and unwilling) to deal with planting/feeding/harvesting them on X day. I check them daily, feed them on whatever day it is when I'm home for lunch, and harvest them when they glow.

Really, I probably shouldn't be gardening at all. That's why I do it on only one mule instead of all of them.

It's funny you say that, because I have a harder time with the faster growth cycles from seeds.

With Saplings, you get two to three real-life days per window of opportunity to feed and/or harvest, and there are generally 9 or 10 one hour periods within each window.

Also, Saplings hold up better without being checked, whereas Tree Cuttings or the types of seeds will die off without attention between feedings.

Still, when working with a single mule, or only a couple, I assume it's easier. I've done the 10-mules-checking-10-pots-every-day-for-two-weeks thing a few times, and it makes the eyes bleed a little.

[Thistle]

Still, when working with a single mule, or only a couple, I assume it's easier. I've done the 10-mules-checking-10-pots-every-day-for-two-weeks thing a few times, and it makes the eyes bleed a little.

Yeah, that's why I do it with only one. I don't need to make money this way (there are tons of easier/faster ways I can), I just wanted to get lucky and get some ores for "free" to skill on.

On top of that, I kind of like the randomness of it, how you get some sort of free gift when you harvest. I might just go to random seeds and random crystals and see how that goes for a while. (Yay rock salt and little worms~!)

[Acturus]

with Moghancement Gardening, i've only had to check saplings/cuttings twice a day really. I too have problems with seeds; the only seeds I buy, however, are Wildgrass. Other seeds are free from lowbie levelling/farming.

Believe it or not, Moghancement: Gardening or not, you don't have to check saplings at all between augmentation periods, so long as you check them or feed them when the "feed crystal" option comes around.

And with Cuttings, I've found out the hard way that if you forget to check them more than once prior to the first feed crystal option, they die. But, if you pass the first feed crystal option and they survive (I grew Saplings, so I never actually fed crystals), they become more resiliant to neglect. And even then, checking them once a day, once every other day, didn't matter, I still got about 1:1 cutting to sapling ratio on the harvest.

From my experience, checking the plants has no noticable effect on how good of a yield you get, and checking the plants multiple times a day has no effect at all on anything. As far as I know, checking your plants just speeds up how quickly they can be harvested, but even that is a negligable amount given the way the cycles work.

Saplings are 8 days counting from the day you plant to crystal feed (2 day window to feed), from the moment you feed a crystal, it's another 7 days to the next crystal feed (2 day window again), and the moment you feed that crystal, it's 7 days to the harvest window. It's a max of 25 real life days I think, if you wait as long as possible to feed and to harvest.

Moghancement: Gardening helps lengthen the time from start to harvest to give yourself better windows for crystal feeding and harvesting, but it's only really worthwhile when using the quick gardening recipies with seeds.

All I know is that from everything I've been doing, I've gotten Sapling gardening down to where I pay as little attention as possible while still yielding favorable results. I used to check every day, and pay attention to moonphase when planting, and really go out of my way to work the plants, but it wasn't worth the effort once I was harvesting.