Rate your relic weapon

[Drzaus]

Amano is a 7/10

-1 for not having at least 90 base dmg
-1 for ruining 6 hit + the aftermath being useless in regaining it w/o adding more store tp
-1 for the +20 acc being a lie (on ws), even if it isn't
(I would mention something about kaiten dmg on HNM, but if you spam it, it works just fine though your epeen won't always get a fix)

It's an awesome weapon, it just feels like SE didn't know shit about game mechanics when they made it.

There are multiple weapons that are in the same w.rank as Amano, and don't require extra store tp to maintain a 6 hit build. There is also the futsuno which can get reach 5 hit and still keeps a good dmg rating as well as extra str when it matters.

I don't regret getting it but I can't help but look at it and think what if it had a few tiny boosts... 90 base dmg, either change the after effect or increase it, and how bout you give me a drain every ws!

[Falisa]

I'd really love to hear someone's opinion on Bravura. :D

[Alistaire]

any Kikoku or Ragnarok owners around?

There's a title called Preventer of Ragnarok for a reason.

[MillionDollarMan]

There's a title called Preventer of Ragnarok for a reason.

I had wondered if you had double march or something and kept pumping out Scourge would you like have like non stop critical hits. But yea... LOL@ the title.

[isladar]

I'd really love to hear someone's opinion on Bravura. :D

Quiet, Max'll hear you.

[Falisa]

Quiet, Max'll hear you.

Ok someone that actually has bravura.

[Hilanderr]

Bravura 10/10

As a warrior it is the perfect weapon and I still find it really sad to see Bravura Wars use sword/sword setups...but that is not what this post is about.

I cannot base my feelings of how useless I feel as a warrior compared to my other jobs but that is mute.

The weapon skill makes you last longer and doing 1k+ almost every time you use it just makes me giddy. The biggest love for this weapon is the added effects. Nothing beats evasion down, Def Down and Attack Down, plus I get Added Defense after using my WS...

Anyways as a warrior it will not change much but you will certainly be able to tank and last much longer in fights. I see nothing about this weapon that makes it inherently bad, as for upgrading a relic I will never do it again because I do not have the temperament or the money to do so. It is simply a long draining task but after the dust clears I am very happy to have the weapon.

(Anything to add let me know..)

[Therin]

I had wondered if you had double march or something and kept pumping out Scourge would you like have like non stop critical hits. But yea... LOL@ the title.

Assuming the Scourge effect from Valhalla doesn't get upgraded when you switch to Ragnarok (which is an assumption that I think is fairly understandable) it's fairly lame.

Over the course of an entire Dynamis - San d'Oria that I parsed, my Algol DRK only had 3.8% less crit rate than our Valhalla DRK who used almost exclusively Scourge. Mind you, Ragnarok itself gives increased crit rate (probably 5-10%) so you're looking at something around 15% crit rate increase with Ragnarok and Scourge spam, bringing you around 22-25% total crit rate (and that's assuming Scourge is +5% and Ragnarok is +10%, which is a fairly generous assumption).

Fairly underwhelming, unfortunately.

[Neosutra]

Assuming the Scourge effect from Valhalla doesn't get upgraded when you switch to Ragnarok (which is an assumption that I think is fairly understandable) it's fairly lame.

Over the course of an entire Dynamis - San d'Oria that I parsed, my Algol DRK only had 3.8% less crit rate than our Valhalla DRK who used almost exclusively Scourge. Mind you, Ragnarok itself gives increased crit rate (probably 5-10%) so you're looking at something around 15% crit rate increase with Ragnarok and Scourge spam, bringing you around 22-25% total crit rate (and that's assuming Scourge is +5% and Ragnarok is +10%, which is a fairly generous assumption).

Fairly underwhelming, unfortunately.

Dear god post his gear Q.Q, I cant bring myself to do it =/

[MillionDollarMan]

I have 4 relics and the only one I will say was worth the money would be Apocalypse. As said above it totally changes the job because to tell you the truth I never used DRK before I got it because I HATE the job (I used WAR/SAM before), Apocalypse made DRK my favorite job in the game. It changed the way I played many aspects of the game including Merit/Salvage/Nyzul. The weapon skill is beyond broken because even though the damage is not the best, it is still quite good, and after every weapon skill you get nearly a Cure IV and +10% haste. Apocalypse deserves more then 10/10 in my book. Aegis and Mandau are not that amazing aside from the visual aspect of them to be honest, and Excalibur is quite an amazing relic but only has real uses in certain HNM scenarios.

I think this post helped a lot. Then i realized I didn't even have the scythe from dynamis... Time to go back and get one lol..

[Epical]

Where's Aurik or anyone with the Spharai love. =(

EDIT: Also, can the Amano owners also rate Hagun on that same scale of 10 so we know how the two stack against each other in your opinion? =D

[Meat]

Bravura 10/10

As a warrior it is the perfect weapon and I still find it really sad to see Bravura Wars use sword/sword setups...but that is not what this post is about.

I cannot base my feelings of how useless I feel as a warrior compared to my other jobs but that is mute.

The weapon skill makes you last longer and doing 1k+ almost every time you use it just makes me giddy. The biggest love for this weapon is the added effects. Nothing beats evasion down, Def Down and Attack Down, plus I get Added Defense after using my WS...

Anyways as a warrior it will not change much but you will certainly be able to tank and last much longer in fights. I see nothing about this weapon that makes it inherently bad, as for upgrading a relic I will never do it again because I do not have the temperament or the money to do so. It is simply a long draining task but after the dust clears I am very happy to have the weapon.

(Anything to add let me know..)

I hear this a lot from other relic owners, what do you mean last much longer in fights? I understand holding more hate via damage makes you a better tank but how does the relic help you last longer?

[Epical]

Probably talking about the increase in defense after using the WS, therefore lasting longer against physical attacks?

[nsx]

Probably talking about the increase in defense after using the WS, therefore lasting longer against physical attacks?

Our Bravura owner (way before 2hander buff) died all the frickin' time.

Of course he was also taru, but yeah.

Anyhow, I've played w/ a Yoichi during many Dark Ix fights and its pretty much hate free as long as I used Namas. Didn't have the big #s that Sidewinder had, but I'd also pull hate after 1 sidewinder whereas I could Namas -> barrage -> Namas and it never even looks my way. Other well geared rngs were pulling hate the whole fight but parsing much less. Goes pretty much the same way in Odin fights.

I thought it was a pretty cool relic. But obviously I didn't have to pay for it.

[Xsquallx-Siren]

Assuming the Scourge effect from Valhalla doesn't get upgraded when you switch to Ragnarok (which is an assumption that I think is fairly understandable) it's fairly lame.

Over the course of an entire Dynamis - San d'Oria that I parsed, my Algol DRK only had 3.8% less crit rate than our Valhalla DRK who used almost exclusively Scourge. Mind you, Ragnarok itself gives increased crit rate (probably 5-10%) so you're looking at something around 15% crit rate increase with Ragnarok and Scourge spam, bringing you around 22-25% total crit rate (and that's assuming Scourge is +5% and Ragnarok is +10%, which is a fairly generous assumption).

Fairly underwhelming, unfortunately.

I might be reading this wrong, but if im not im pretty sure u don't get the the after effect of WS's with stage4 weapons in dynamis.

I'll rate my Apoc 10/10, love solo chaining imp's with very lil down time. HNM wise id say its a beast DOT wise, Cata kinda fails on HNMS but the overall DMG is what i love best, then again its like this for all relic WS except Mercy Stoke it seems. Cant really say for salvage cause i never used it in there, only Amano.

I'll rate my Amano 9/10, doesn't do things like Apoc can, but it sure does kill fast lol. Kaiten fails for the most part on HNM except when i have curry.

[Neosutra]

I might be reading this wrong, but if im not im pretty sure u don't get the the after effect of WS's with stage4 weapons in dynamis.

I'll rate my Apoc 10/10, love solo chaining imp's with very lil down time. HNM wise id say its a beast DOT wise, Cata kinda fails on HNMS but the overall DMG is what i love best, then again its like this for all relic WS except Mercy Stoke it seems. Cant really say for salvage cause i never used it in there, only Amano.

I'll rate my Amano 9/10, doesn't do things like Apoc can, but it sure does kill fast lol. Kaiten fails for the most part on HNM except when i have curry.

Im pretty sure the WS added effects work in dynamis. That or our excal pld was lying about the regen from KoTR on caliburn a long time ago Q.Q

[Tsutsumiko]

Where's Aurik or anyone with the Spharai love. =(

EDIT: Also, can the Amano owners also rate Hagun on that same scale of 10 so we know how the two stack against each other in your opinion? =D

I also would like to know about this.

I can't really bring myself to taking up this task. I consider there to be nothing left to do in the game after full Usukane, so if it's a goal worth striving for... allowing new possibilities...extending the longevity of my career, etc. . . . I'd be interested

Edit: Cleared up what I meant. Bad use of English ftw!

[Lordwafik]

You do get the WS effect with level4 in Dyna, I remember posting a SS a long time ago of it, but with mandau it's pretty hard to show.

[Kyumo]

Im pretty sure the WS added effects work in dynamis. That or our excal pld was lying about the regen from KoTR on caliburn a long time ago Q.Q

The Stage 4 after effects of the WS work in dynamis.

Also, can the Amano owners also rate Hagun on that same scale of 10 so we know how the two stack against each other in your opinion? =D

Personally I rate hagun 6/10 and amano 9/10.

Hagun is awesome for the tp bonus but the base damage is really low.

Kaiten's only downfall is having a lower str mod vs YGK but it makes up alot for 3.0 damage regardless of TP. And yeah as mentioned before it blows for epeen numbers on HNM D: But anything like salvage, merits, nyzul, etc. it rips the cocks off mobs. Hagun can't keep up with the dmg on Kaiten unless they plan to save 200 tp each ws and even then you have to factor amanos high base dmg and the hidden triple dmg procs. (Not on ws of course )

Whether its worth it? I say yes, definitely I have no regrets I was torn between choosing this and Aegis and I'm glad I got this as my first relic.

[Phraust]

Ame-no-Murakumo: 6/10

Better than any other GK sure, but the effort that goes into it for the marginal increase is BS.

Added effect StoreTP+7 barely offsets the lower delay, not saying I am irritated with a quicker weapon, it's just the added effect is a negation more than an enhancement.

Top of the line gear + Kaiten + JoL = 40 damage... There's a massive error in the math on some relic weapons that really drops the damage of thier respective weaponskills dramatically. (YGK does perfectly fine for reference)

+20 acc is "ok" but since the 2 handed update it's kinda not as important.

2.5 proc hits only about 5% of the time and maybe 0.5% of weaponskills.

It's tiny, and while true to hystoric Ame-no-Murakumo just looks wierd. I wish they had chosen a more "GK-esque" GK for the relic.

Added Effect: Attack Down is ok. As any melee woudl prefere Defense or Evasion Down, it's not too bad when you're soloing. Seems to have the potency of about Bio II (Haven't tested it though).

"Just another Pig-Sticker..."

Bonuses: Dominating the entire L2/L3 Skillchain chart if you have Tachi: Rana as well. Even not, double light capabilities, Solo-Self-Light, and Solo-Self-Distortion are exceptional.

I think I would probably apreciate it more if I didn't have it for a while and realized it's usefulness. But it could really use a boost. Maybe 20 skill instead of 20 accuracy, and a crit rate of 5% to go with the 5% 2.5 damage hits. Fix the god damn error on Kaiten that makes it fuckign gimp on HNM, and maybe, just maybe StoreTP+40-50 on Aftermath, it's a fuckign relic, it should have a 6-hit out of the gates and a 5 hit with gear.