Rate your relic weapon

[Ayn]

im interested to hear what people have to say about Yoichinoyumi. like if namas arrow is any good and also how strong the added effect is

Just seconding what was said earlier. I was lucky enough that I briefly had the account of the LS member who upgraded the Yoichi. I only had the opportunity to use it on a few things (a few Khimaira fights and KB), but the Namas add effect, combined with his gear and merits were nice. I think there was one Khimaira fight where I might have missed.. two shots total? It was a little ridiculous.

[Drzaus]

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Ok, instead of a long post:

40 dmg kaitens on JoL - you're doing it wrong lol.
2-2.5x proc doesn't proc on ws, and the proc rate is the same across all weapons i believe.

The 20 acc is awesome (for me anyway... not counting ws -.-), but 20 skill would be nice... less acc but you get the atk too... besides the point tho!

I do wish it looked different, especially now more than ever due to the fact the AV gkt looks quite similar.

I totally agree it isn't what I expected when I got it, but adding shit like +40 store tp and crit rate isn't needed to make it better... a few subtle changes could go a long way.




To the hagun guy -
Hagun: 5/10
Amano once again: 7/10

Amano is worlds better on paper and better in game, but in game there are many more factors that sorta... weaken it. Without good support, like everything in this game, it's full potential is hampered. With full support you're super strong, until eventually third eye starts to fail and you get raped, and a defensive setup only gets you so far.

[Falisa]

I do wish it looked different, especially now more than ever due to the fact the AV gkt looks quite similar.

Yeah have you seen Bravura? I've never actually seen one in game but I'm sure you could easily mistake it for a normal Bhuj.

[Drzaus]

Yeah have you seen Bravura? I've never actually seen one in game but I'm sure you could easily mistake it for a normal Bhuj.

The only Bravura owner I know is a taru, so you can't see that shit anyway lol

For amano: I happen to be a galka, and that puny thing at my hip is... embarassing... almost

[richardd]

I might be reading this wrong, but if im not im pretty sure u don't get the the after effect of WS's with stage4 weapons in dynamis.

I'll rate my Apoc 10/10, love solo chaining imp's with very lil down time. HNM wise id say its a beast DOT wise, Cata kinda fails on HNMS but the overall DMG is what i love best, then again its like this for all relic WS except Mercy Stoke it seems. Cant really say for salvage cause i never used it in there, only Amano.

I'll rate my Amano 9/10, doesn't do things like Apoc can, but it sure does kill fast lol. Kaiten fails for the most part on HNM except when i have curry.

cant you just spam gekko instead of kaiten on HNM's than? i feel amano is the strongest relic as far as exp/meriting goes, but i dont see how it can be bad in the hands of someone who knows how to play the job to its full potential on something like Khim or Tia, or any HNM thats squishy.

i love apoc, but my DRk can swing just as fast as them every time LR is up with only 4 DB merits and my WS average is higher, too. Even when LR aint up, it still swings pretty damn fast with hasso up, especially since equip haste caps at 26% anyway right? my DMG is almost on par, only difference is, i MP sink while they cure themselves lol. I still have mad respect for apoc, but my playstyle and aggressiveness needs to be handled with that toothpick GKT. Thats just my opinion.

also: mad respect to neo and that aegis claim. Thats possibly the most honest aegis/relic input answer i ever heard lol.

[Falisa]

Now we need some firsthand spharai rating.

[Epical]

Still awaiting Spharai people!

Unless it's so bad they're all quitting lol.

[Phraust]

Ok, instead of a long post:

40 dmg kaitens on JoL - you're doing it wrong lol.
2-2.5x proc doesn't proc on ws, and the proc rate is the same across all weapons i believe.

The 20 acc is awesome (for me anyway... not counting ws -.-), but 20 skill would be nice... less acc but you get the atk too... besides the point tho!

I do wish it looked different, especially now more than ever due to the fact the AV gkt looks quite similar.

I totally agree it isn't what I expected when I got it, but adding shit like +40 store tp and crit rate isn't needed to make it better... a few subtle changes could go a long way.




To the hagun guy -
Hagun: 5/10
Amano once again: 7/10

Amano is worlds better on paper and better in game, but in game there are many more factors that sorta... weaken it. Without good support, like everything in this game, it's full potential is hampered. With full support you're super strong, until eventually third eye starts to fail and you get raped, and a defensive setup only gets you so far.

I honestly don't know. I had Minuet/Etude, using courel subs, hasso, war sub at the time, Very much above average gear, I was gettign heckled because I was "missing" as in they were trying to SC, but stopped because I would get 0 TP return. It was soon realized I was hittign for 0 most of the time and the ones I did land were for 5-40 tops. On Fafnir it does about 300-400, Nid about 150-250, various slavage bosses are all over the map for damage. In those same incidents, JoL YKG would do about 700-900, Faf/Nid would do about the same roughly.

I talked to a few other holders and they agree that my case seems a little severe, but they are usually fightign with red curry, and 4 songs, somethign that's exceptionally rare in my world. Even then, they'd only get about 300-400 on JoL iirc, while YKG would do 4-5x as much. Even in the 'best' circumstances, there's somethign severely wrong with kaiten.

[Clave]

Plenty of amano ratings already, but here goes:

9/10.

I absolutely love my Amano. Only thing that prevents it from getting a perfect score is I wish Kaiten had the same pDIF/Attack bonuses as YGK, because you need a lot of support/attack for it to really shine. Otherwise I can't complain. +20 acc is nice and I've found the attack down more useful than I originally thought I would. I think I'm actually one of the few that like the model, as I love the whole idea behind it being a tsurugi(straight, double bladed, not very common) instead of the classic gk curved blade, but I don't like how the AV GK has a similar model.

Without any support, it's great. With, you're a machine.

Also, to the misinformed amano owner, 2.5x doesn't proc on WSs, and with Kaiten/Y/G/K being one-hit you will always hover at a max 95% hit rate since that is what it caps at. You'll get unlucky from time to time and miss two in a row, but heck, you're bound to sometime since they're single hit.

[Xsquallx-Siren]

cant you just spam gekko instead of kaiten on HNM's than? i feel amano is the strongest relic as far as exp/meriting goes, but i dont see how it can be bad in the hands of someone who knows how to play the job to its full potential on something like Khim or Tia, or any HNM thats squishy.

i love apoc, but my DRk can swing just as fast as them every time LR is up with only 4 DB merits and my WS average is higher, too. Even when LR aint up, it still swings pretty damn fast with hasso up, especially since equip haste caps at 26% anyway right? my DMG is almost on par, only difference is, i MP sink while they cure themselves lol. I still have mad respect for apoc, but my playstyle and aggressiveness needs to be handled with that toothpick GKT. Thats just my opinion.

also: mad respect to neo and that aegis claim. Thats possibly the most honest aegis/relic input answer i ever heard lol.

I normally do spam Gekko on majority of HNM, Kaiten is actually not bad on Khim and Ixion /thf, average of 1k~ dmg peeking up to 1.5k, but i like them 300% Gekko's lol

[Phraust]

First i heard of it not procing on WS =\

I get some random massive damage ones from time to time that defy reason then.

[Drzaus]

Plenty of amano ratings already, but here goes:

9/10.

I absolutely love my Amano. Only thing that prevents it from getting a perfect score is I wish Kaiten had the same pDIF/Attack bonuses as YGK, because you need a lot of support/attack for it to really shine. Otherwise I can't complain. +20 acc is nice and I've found the attack down more useful than I originally thought I would. I think I'm actually one of the few that like the model, as I love the whole idea behind it being a tsurugi(straight, double bladed, not very common) instead of the classic gk curved blade, but I don't like how the AV GK has a similar model.

I don't mind the model, I mind the fact that it looks like I, as a galka, am wearing a toothpick sword. Beef it up a little lol, I can barely wrap my hands around it and it looks awkward!

Oh, I also forgot to mention the biggest reason I won't rate it higher:
Kaiten

The animation, filtered or not, is TOO FUCKING LONG. Nothing like being HM'd to the face due to standing there for 5 seconds due to being locked up in a ws animation. That and I wish the energy gathered at the tip, not the upper middle of the blade. >.>


Seriously tho, no other amano owner is bothered by the fact amano is in the same weapon rank/fstr caps as 3 other gkt? one of which can obtain a 5 hit and has +8 str on ws? That alone doesn't scream best to me... 2 base dmg, is that too much to ask for?

[Clave]

Agreed on weapon rank, I was depressed when I did the calculation a long time ago I figure S-E probably just did it because of the 437 delay, but I don't think 2 base damage is a lot to ask for yeah so definitely. I love the delay though, seems like I can attack fast as hell. Normally I have 22% in haste equipment, capped 26% with /drg. With capped or close to capped magic haste as well as hasso it barely seems like I take a breather before taking the next swing. Of course, I can't do that very often because I risk dying soon afterwards.

The damage Kaiten can do is amazing, but it's hard to reach its potential and that's why it should be better. With high pDIF such as in merit parties with COR+BRD+DRK I tend to average 1.3k no-DA and 1.8k DA. Doesn't sound all that surprising compared to the 2k+ WSs people can pull in other situations but it's the very fact that I can spam that at 100% every few seconds that is broken. With good support, the right equipment(6-hit, haste), it adds up very fast. This is also ignoring the additional damage from self-chaining single or double light chains.

Edit: Also, yeah I wouldn't mind if they made the sword bigger, does kinda seem small and I'd imagine on a galka it would be awkward. As a hume, it looks as if I could use it as a 1H Katana.

[Lordwafik]

First i heard of it not procing on WS =\

I get some random massive damage ones from time to time that defy reason then.

It can't proc on the WS itself, but my theory is it can proc on a hit of double/triple attack. Back when my gear used to suck, I'd do mercy strokes and not break 900-1000, then out of nowhere I'd do one for 1250 or so. After a while I noticed it only did that when my TP would give me the result of a DA/TA.

[Vodou]

I have Spharai and Amano.

Summary:

Spharai: 7/10. Really adore this weapon and glad I spent the work to get it. Never tire of it and never take it off. If FH was better or the base damage a bit higher, I'd never leave home.
Amano: 8/10. Oh boy. Glad I went for a second relic and this one does not disappoint. All the hours searching for currency (again) were rewarded. Alas, I dream of when Kaitens are the only WS I use on HNMs.



Spharai I rank at 7/10. Gold knuckles rock! It does all I expected and more. The attack and counter enhances what mnks need, and the higher base damage is noticeable. Triple proc is always nice when it happens especially on crits. If it had higher base damage (+27) or much shorter delay of if Final Heaven could replace other mnk WS in many endgame situations, I could easily give it a 10/10 despite the other shortcomings.

The key drawbacks in my mind are 1) Final Heaven is bad. Its basically a wasted WS and more than one other Spharai owner has said to me he basically has no use for it. Ever. The damage is so terribly low that unless the aftermath is excellent it would not get used. Sadly the aftermath is poor. 2) In my mind relics should in some way bypass the 'normal' mechanics of the game. Example, Spharai should be all weapon types (pierce, slash and blunt), or always ignore some fixed % of targets defense. I don't think these would be game breaking, but otherwise some of the relics are just 'better' at doing what other same class weapons do. Spharai adds counter, but not really so much that a Spharai mnk could tank consistently on VT+ mobs. It suffers from the same limitations of all h2h weapons and to me, that is a negative. Its not that I think relics should break the game, but I think each relic should allow the player to do something that he really could not do on that job without the relic. 3) Spharai is just too close to the easily obtainable Destroyers. While Destroyers are not as good, I believe relics should have a larger differential to the next non relic weapon.

In no way do I regret this choice however or the work that went into it. I love mnk and if thats the job you love, you want this relic. It makes my mnk better, gives me consistently solid damage, and makes me a better counter tanker. Period.


As for Amano. What has been said is pretty solid. I give it 8/10 because the aftermath is pretty hot and Kaiten simply owns in xp. I can get some pretty strong numbers on all mobs using Y/G/K and on xp mobs can spam Kaiten happily. The accuracy is not needed in xp in most cases, but on HNMs its really noticeable. The low base delay is also quite desireable.

I would rate it higher but the fact that Kaiten does not perform better on high defense mobs is a negative. There is simply something wrong in my mind when the same weapon on the same player with the same tp/gear/songs/food/jas etc does 800 using y/g/k but 400 using Kaiten. I shouldn't have to "fix" that nor should I have to spam it to get DoT rewards. Amano like all relics should excell at fighting xp mobs and HNMs and not weakened on some HNMs. While technically its not Amano that has this issue, Kaiten is integral to Amano, so its design should have supported the relic. In my mind, on any endgame mob at 100 TP, given identical gear, food etc., Kaiten should outperform y/g/k. Again, I don't see how its game breaking to have this fixed. The extra store tp from Kaiten doesn't enable a useable 5-hit build (oh that it would!)

I love this weapon. I've never thought twice about doing the work to get it. It's so good, that I could see people doing sam just to get it.

[Izzy]

So, who wants to hear about my Mjollnir for the 400th time!?

[Kipling]

So, who wants to hear about my Mjollnir for the 400th time!?

10/10 Rating? :D

[Arthars]

Kikoku 8/10 for me
1. I always dual box with my wife's WHM, so NIN is prolly good for me, and makes kikoku even better on me
2. Do not under estimate the subtle blow bonus when you fight NMs like salvage bosses or low manning melee-able mobs/NMs
3. the para is VERY potent and proc VERY often, 1 mob can be paralysed the entire fight, but whether he paralyze or not, thats luck
4. metsu is good for some NMs as far as i know even on byakko. i tank byakko with merit setup and deal 400-500 metsu(just one of the few i can highlight)
5. Good for me because my irl friend have mandau and we rape/tear anything thats not a NM in a SC
6. im a ninja fanatic
7. setback: you need to be a good ninja in terms of gears and skill before you should attempt to wield a kikoku.....the weapon itself wont make u super. its one of the upgrades to make urself one-up above the other ninjas. If you burn all ur gils and suck on other slots just for this weapon. BY ALL MEANS PLEASE DONT DO IT. because sath may come back and haunt you :\ this weapon have a rating of 5/10 on an average ninja.

Apocalypse 9/10 for me
1. drk is my first job and drk rape things
2. cant find anyone that can beat me in meripo on ifrit yet
3. still a moderate zerg-job/weapon
4. almost can be used in any event if you know what your doing(i have tanked omega myself even with the presense of 2 PLDs and they cant get hate, i can tank with /nin with the 25% haste as well as cure myself. also tanked cerberus and all salvage bosses easily. just the few things i can highlight else the list go on and on)
5. drk is a fun job already and apoc just make it "fun-er"
6. drain on WS + 10% haste is good as you can keep 25% haste almost permanetly as long you hit things above 1 damage lol. not a MP sink if you have apoc(not on undead tho -_-). the 2.5 damage proc alot on 2H weapons. and for drk, im averaging 250-300 damage per melee hit in meripo over 3 hrs.(i still have some parse results if u wanna see). apoc certainly produces the best DOT. WS is slightly above average only. but with haste and drain, you shouldnt complain.
7. setbacks are if you SJ thf for NMs like sky or sea, you get slow TP ;\, and the blind is a freaking joke -_-;
8. apoc changes your drk completely. it makes you and other guillitine drk worlds apart.
9. i will rate apoc and amano the same. both have their usefulness in diff situation. i was having headache of whether to upgrade amano or apoc but ended up doing apoc. because for sam, theres hagun that come close to amano. i made apoc because no other scythe came close.

[Izzy]

I'd say 6/10 for the Mjollnir.

I love my weapon. I love everything about it. Now with Mystic Boon out, I never ever ever run out of MP while meeling. 1- for the shitty fucking delay. -3 from the situation below:

• Izzy
  
  • 75 WHM BLM SMN NIN
• Random Melee
  
  • 75 WHM DRK BLU

Let's assume that Mr. Random Melee has shit gear. Let's assume I've outparsed Random Melee in every god damn merit party ever. Let's assume that every time I'm killing something together with Random Melee, I always have hate.

Why, in the name of Jesus fucking CHRIST do you ask ME to come as "non-melee WHM" and ass the shitty fucking DRK to come as DRK to events? Why can I not come on my WHM that clearly outdamages the other guy's MNK and make that fucker come WHM to heal ME?!

Seriously, that is the ONLY thing I hate the most about my relic weapon. This happens all the time, and it makes me want to fucking punch whomever is making job lists/alliances in the face as hard as I can.

[Lyramion]

Amano is a 7/10

-1 for ruining 6 hit + the aftermath being useless in regaining it w/o adding more store tp

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=19213


Quite an easy slot to give up imo