Rate your relic weapon

[TigeraTaru]

I have Spharai

Summary:

Spharai: 7/10. Really adore this weapon and glad I spent the work to get it. Never tire of it and never take it off. If FH was better or the base damage a bit higher, I'd never leave home.




Spharai I rank at 7/10. Gold knuckles rock! It does all I expected and more. The attack and counter enhances what mnks need, and the higher base damage is noticeable. Triple proc is always nice when it happens especially on crits. If it had higher base damage (+27) or much shorter delay of if Final Heaven could replace other mnk WS in many endgame situations, I could easily give it a 10/10 despite the other shortcomings.

The key drawbacks in my mind are 1) Final Heaven is bad. Its basically a wasted WS and more than one other Spharai owner has said to me he basically has no use for it. Ever. The damage is so terribly low that unless the aftermath is excellent it would not get used. Sadly the aftermath is poor. 2) In my mind relics should in some way bypass the 'normal' mechanics of the game. Example, Spharai should be all weapon types (pierce, slash and blunt), or always ignore some fixed % of targets defense. I don't think these would be game breaking, but otherwise some of the relics are just 'better' at doing what other same class weapons do. Spharai adds counter, but not really so much that a Spharai mnk could tank consistently on VT+ mobs. It suffers from the same limitations of all h2h weapons and to me, that is a negative. Its not that I think relics should break the game, but I think each relic should allow the player to do something that he really could not do on that job without the relic. 3) Spharai is just too close to the easily obtainable Destroyers. While Destroyers are not as good, I believe relics should have a larger differential to the next non relic weapon.

In no way do I regret this choice however or the work that went into it. I love mnk and if thats the job you love, you want this relic. It makes my mnk better, gives me consistently solid damage, and makes me a better counter tanker. Period.

I can't agree more with what was said. The only time I even use Final Heaven is while tanking chariots in Salvage before I Hundred Fists in the hope that it will not give as much tp.

[Kyumo]

I would like to hear more info on the bow and whether its worth it, for HNM especially. I'm trying to decide between this and Aegis. Thanks.

[Kyo]

Well for the two I have its been pretty much covered but..


Amano-9/10 Absolutley love it, do wish I could just use kaiten on HNM's as other said.
Aegis-7/10 Like neo said its not really a must have for a PLD, its newness wore off pretty fast, but overall it is fun to use.

hagun 7/10 I liked hagun alot, the tp mod is really nice, just the base damage is a bit low.

[Marcicus]

Where's all the Gungnir wielders at? >.>

[Lordwafik]

Where's all the Gungnir wielders at? >.>

Busy fulltiming af2

[Neosutra]

Busy fulltiming Heca

Fixed.

[Sekkite]

I have 4 relics and the only one I will say was worth the money would be Apocalypse. As said above it totally changes the job because to tell you the truth I never used DRK before I got it because I HATE the job (I used WAR/SAM before), Apocalypse made DRK my favorite job in the game. It changed the way I played many aspects of the game including Merit/Salvage/Nyzul. The weapon skill is beyond broken because even though the damage is not the best, it is still quite good, and after every weapon skill you get nearly a Cure IV and +10% haste. Apocalypse deserves more then 10/10 in my book. Aegis and Mandau are not that amazing aside from the visual aspect of them to be honest, and Excalibur is quite an amazing relic but only has real uses in certain HNM scenarios.

You have no idea how psyched I am to read this.

[minni]

does anyone have both apoc and an amano?
i am currently debating on which one to upgrade

i was leaning toward amano until they made AV beatable (hence Futsuno Mitama)
would some of the relic holders give me some opinon?

according to this topic
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showt...c+amano&page=3
on post #87 by RKenshin

apoc would win in overall damage?

[Sekkite]

does anyone have both apoc and an amano?
i am currently debating on which one to upgrade

i was leaning toward amano until they made AV beatable (hence Futsuno Mitama)
would some of the relic holders give me some opinon?

according to this topic
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showt...c+amano&page=3
on post #87 by RKenshin

apoc would win in overall damage?

The calculations would be different from what Rkenshin had in that post if only because there is a haste cap right now.

[Funkworkz]

Not sure if you want to count Gjallarhorn as a weapon, but heres my review anyway!

Score: 7/10

Pros: Added inventory is nice, but since i already have more than enough space, its not very noticable. Because of Ballad, low manning anything is possible. in most situations I can be more than enough of a healer for duo or trio fights. as for the endgame scene, MP in the tank party is usually always capped in any HNM fight. it is simply godly when im in the black mage party, and lastly, it gives a new meaning to the term manaburn party.

Cons: Outside of Ballad, there isnt really any other boost to other songs besides the whole +1% to Victory march debate.

Pet Peeves:
Loses one point because I STILL FUCKING NEED TO SUB BLM FOR ELEMENTAL SEAL!!!
Loses one point because Requiem Flute is +2 higher DoT effect on chariots...
Loses this last point because the Horde Lullaby range is shit just like Mary's Horn. Because its a relic weapon, Nursemaid's Harp should be null and void! I should be able to do Shadows of the Mind with my Gjallarhorn, and not have to buy a fucking Nursemaid's Harp...

[ninjafox]

Hearing bout people with 2 and 3 relics makes me sad . Anyhoo, I'd like to hear a bit more about Yoichi and Bravura. (currently doing Bravura)

[Black]

does anyone have both apoc and an amano?
i am currently debating on which one to upgrade

i was leaning toward amano until they made AV beatable (hence Futsuno Mitama)
would some of the relic holders give me some opinon?

according to this topic
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showt...c+amano&page=3
on post #87 by RKenshin

apoc would win in overall damage?

would win in melee dmg ya, but overall i think Amano would outdo it...dont forget the low ws avg from apoc compare to amano p-p

gl with your relic!

[Meat]

I might be reading this wrong, but if im not im pretty sure u don't get the the after effect of WS's with stage4 weapons in dynamis.

I'll rate my Apoc 10/10, love solo chaining imp's with very lil down time. HNM wise id say its a beast DOT wise, Cata kinda fails on HNMS but the overall DMG is what i love best, then again its like this for all relic WS except Mercy Stoke it seems. Cant really say for salvage cause i never used it in there, only Amano.

I'll rate my Amano 9/10, doesn't do things like Apoc can, but it sure does kill fast lol. Kaiten fails for the most part on HNM except when i have curry.

does anyone have both apoc and an amano?
i am currently debating on which one to upgrade

i was leaning toward amano until they made AV beatable (hence Futsuno Mitama)
would some of the relic holders give me some opinon?

according to this topic
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showt...c+amano&page=3
on post #87 by RKenshin

apoc would win in overall damage?

^

[Epical]

Seeing all these Amano owners only rating Hagun 1-3 points lower on their 10-scale makes me D: a bit. On the other hand, seeing Spharai owners speak so highly of it when I previously thought it was only marginally better than Destroyers in the long has shaken my mental foundation of them!





Bah, look at me talking like getting a relic is even semi-feasible...

[Kaelia]

People rating their weapons as anything less than a 10 makes me feel better about myself for not having one.

[algrensan]

when i have to switch to y/g/k on high def mobs, 6-hit is the least of my concerns. but i still like the part where i can get a 6-hit setup w/o needing any store tp merits. also, the color/design of the gkt matches my full usukane perfectly.

asking people to rate other non-relics are going to make people think, "oh shit, hagun's only 1-3 points behind amano." and to the person commenting about people rating their weapons as anything less than a 10-get real. the relic weapons, although not "100% perfect," are still the best in their weapon's class. but whatever makes you sleep well at night.

[Kaelia]

and to the person commenting about people rating their weapons as anything less than a 10-get real. the relic weapons, although not "100% perfect," are still the best in their weapon's class. but whatever makes you sleep well at night.

Uh, technically being the best in their class (and in a few cases as people have said, a reasonably slight difference -- e.g. Aegis, some "reviews" of Amano compared to Hagun and a particular "review" of the G. Axe in which the owner, even though he did give it a 10/10, said that it doesn't really improve too much as a WAR except survivability) and being worth spending 100-120 million gil (might be a bit off on current prices) to upgrade aren't exactly the same thing. I don't think I need to go back to quote the guy who said out of his 4 relics, only ONE was worth the money.

I'm not saying they aren't nice to have assuming you shit gil (which some people can, bless them), nor am I saying they AREN'T technically better in some way than the best alternatives, I'm talking about their worth (including time/gil spent) in comparison to the alternatives.

I'm also fairly sure I can sleep well at night without having a relic weapon sitting in my inventory in a video game. Thank you for your concern, however.

[Arthars]

i also in similar situation when i deciding amano and apoc

like i said in previous post, apoc is good in DOT and will make you a "brand new" playstyle DRK as it is TOTALLY different from normal DRKs. There is no scythe near an apoc.

for SAM, its all about spamming WS. Hagun is a good temp GKT until u get amano. its like a "semi-relic" thingy before you get the real one.

honestly hard to debate the 2 but both is really good. both are win-win relics.

[Zirk]

On the other hand, seeing Spharai owners speak so highly of it when I previously thought it was only marginally better than Destroyers in the long has shaken my mental foundation of them!

When people say Spharai suck they mean overall damage vs. overall damage they are barely better than destroyers. You don't upgrade Spharai because you want your monk to be damage king of the universe, anybody who upgraded them in the hopes of this would have rated them much lower.

[Kyo]

i also in similar situation when i deciding amano and apoc

like i said in previous post, apoc is good in DOT and will make you a "brand new" playstyle DRK as it is TOTALLY different from normal DRKs. There is no scythe near an apoc.

for SAM, its all about spamming WS. Hagun is a good temp GKT until u get amano. its like a "semi-relic" thingy before you get the real one.

honestly hard to debate the 2 but both is really good. both are win-win relics.

I did amano for those reason's, im in the process of finishing apoc as well and Im really excited to see what I can dow ith it.