Stronghold Invasion page: too much?

[The Blackrose]

I was looking over a few things today when I came across the Stronghold Invasion page. I like the fact that we're gathering information on the new stuff, but at the same time, I get the feeling that perhaps the page is too large overall. We are listing the NMs, SHNMs and their strategies all on the same page. Perhaps it would be best to separate this information down into two parts:

1.) Main page - contains a synopsis of the SHNM system. I'd say down to where the beastmen faction list starts is good enough to start with, and then offshoots to the different faction pages. This should probably be a Category: page.

2.) Three subpages, one for each beastmen faction. Under each of these pages, the NMs, their locations (maps which are relevant) and the SHNMs can be listed. If we wanted to go even further, we could list the SHNMs on their own individual pages.

Thoughts?

[BRP]

I'm going to add my own two cents.

The page being new, it seems to need some work on organizing. I can agree on that.

Size is never a problem in my opinion. I think it is nice to have everything on the same page. But with size you NEED a table at the top so people can be directed to where they want to go fast. I notice this page lacks this. Optionally you could have pages that mimic information on the front page and do what you say for those who prefer it.

Individual NM pages should be able contain all amount of detail necessary. If desired, we could make a guide page for more condensed information.

The BCNMs don't need to be on that page. I think if you moved those to their own page, that will greatly reduce the clutter. You will be left with three charts and some optioning details. Pretty simple.

EDIT: Oh and maps shouldn't have their own section. They would work best at the top(aligned to the right) or under each individual beastmen force.

That's what I think.

[The Blackrose]

EDIT: Oh and maps shouldn't have their own section. They would work best at the top(aligned to the right) or under each individual beastmen force.

That's what I was saying.

Overall, I think I can agree with the jist of the changes you propose.

[Gwynplaine]

If you can make it cleaned up please do. I'm not the best at making things presentable I basically just modified some stuff for a rough page. The BCNM template is kind of wonky because some of the parameters aren't appropriate so it looks weird but I just used it to work for the time being. Originally there was a table but when I put the bc template on it seemed to not want it there not sure why lol. If you want to dew it, that's what wikis are good for.

[wunjo_on_ramuh]

Hey, how do I go about making a sandbox? I am playing around with some tables and would like to post them some where that is not my own user page.

[The Blackrose]

Just create an offshoot from your userpage. In this case,

http://www.bg-wiki.com/User:wunjo_on_ramuh/sandbox

[Waku]

Made maps for Beadaeux [S] will do the other 2 soon:
http://home.earthlink.net/~valonquar/Beadeaux1.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~valonquar/Beadeaux2.jpg

[wunjo_on_ramuh]

Already maps for the other two, i'll post the cleaned-up version of the Castle Oz maps now. Have you already uploaded yours to the wiki? I can include them in the Quadav chart.

[Gwynplaine]

Page and maps and all look really nice now.

[Waku]

Didn't upload them to the wiki, but feel free to.

[wunjo_on_ramuh]

Thanks, Waku. I have uploaded your maps and added them to the Quadav NM chart.

[BRP]

I was trying to fill in information about the keyitems, but the changes wouldn't appear on the chart. I am not very familiar with this type of table I'm afraid.

[wunjo_on_ramuh]

I was trying to fill in information about the keyitems, but the changes wouldn't appear on the chart. I am not very familiar with this type of table I'm afraid.

Which key items are you trying to edit/enter? Is it the one for the BC itself or the individual NMs?

If it's for the individual NMs, you can make the change like the example below:

{| cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"
  |- align="left"
    | style="border-bottom:1px dotted black;" | [[Bamboo Grass Basket|Grass Basket]]
  |- align="left"
    | <!-- [[Habalo's Eclogue verse ???|verse???]] -->verse ???
|}

Let's say that this NM's container item will give you the "Habalo's Eclogue verse III", change the above to the following:

{| cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"
  |- align="left"
    | style="border-bottom:1px dotted black;" | [[Bamboo Grass Basket|Grass Basket]]
  |- align="left"
    | [[Habalo's Eclogue verse III|verse III]]
|}

The "<!--" and "-->verse ???" can be removed to allow the key item's name and link to appear in the wiki page.