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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andri View Post
    You forgot the ranged cell.

    To the OP... probably the best decision you made thus far is putting that pup on BLM.
    PUP can be fairly useful, probably moreso than a BLM on a farming run and even on a boss run they'll be ok, neither job will be a huge difference maker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amele View Post
    whitemage is probably /rdm for another dispel; this is kind of overkill though (Since they have a bard and a redmage) then again, I almost never give myself sj on whitemage so it may not matter.
    Another Dispel is one thing, but it's also for Fast Cast. I don't believe that MP is going to be a problem with our well-geared WHM, RDM, and BRD. If it is, BLM and SMN are her other SJ options, but we already agreed to get her SCH to 37 eventually (sooner than later if it really seems necessary in SSR).

    I'm pretty confident that with the new strat (which was formulated thanks to everyone's abundance of help) that we'll be okay, though. :D

    Also, I'll second that PUP is plenty useful in Salvage for farming, which is why that's the job they normally use. They may be high maintenance, but when you're not shooting for a boss, you always get a glut of cells you don't need sooner than later. They always get what's necessary during our farming runs and make a good show.

    On the other hand, Black Mage will be more useful to us against this boss, so the player's flexibility is great. It all gets down to the "shit is situational" thing, and we're all aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohan View Post
    Another Dispel is one thing, but it's also for Fast Cast. I don't believe that MP is going to be a problem with our well-geared WHM, RDM, and BRD. If it is, BLM and SMN are her other SJ options, but we already agreed to get her SCH to 37 eventually (sooner than later if it really seems necessary in SSR).

    I'm pretty confident that with the new strat (which was formulated thanks to everyone's abundance of help) that we'll be okay, though. :D

    Also, I'll second that PUP is plenty useful in Salvage for farming, which is why that's the job they normally use. They may be high maintenance, but when you're not shooting for a boss, you always get a glut of cells you don't need sooner than later. They always get what's necessary during our farming runs and make a good show.

    On the other hand, Black Mage will be more useful to us against this boss, so the player's flexibility is great. It all gets down to the "shit is situational" thing, and we're all aware of that.
    whitemage shouldn't need /rdm for fast cast.. get a pair of cure clogs and sub a useful sub. blackmage and summoner are both fine choices (summoner is better if she doesn't expect to be breaking the 280mp/min magic number, blackmage is better otherwise.) if recasts are your problem, come with a gimp scholar sub. sch10 is already better than redmage37 for speed concerns.

    seriously. I do all four bosses routinely without subjob on whitemage. if you *need* fast cast, you're doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amele View Post
    whitemage shouldn't need /rdm for fast cast.. get a pair of cure clogs and sub a useful sub. blackmage and summoner are both fine choices (summoner is better if she doesn't expect to be breaking the 280mp/min magic number, blackmage is better otherwise.) if recasts are your problem, come with a gimp scholar sub. sch10 is already better than redmage37 for speed concerns.

    seriously. I do all four bosses routinely without subjob on whitemage. if you *need* fast cast, you're doing it wrong.
    She doesn't "need" Fast Cast, per se. She already has Cure Clogs, Loquacious, et cetera. I only thought that it would be a good complement to her existing equipment, and I assumed such because MP should not be an issue. Nonetheless, if you believe /BLM or /SMN would be better, then that is fine. We'll gladly try it.

    The whole point of this thread is to stimulate discussion, so any criticisms are welcome. No need to say we're "doing it wrong" when we haven't even started, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohan View Post
    She doesn't "need" Fast Cast, per se. She already has Cure Clogs, Loquacious, et cetera. I only thought that it would be a good complement to her existing equipment, and I assumed such because MP should not be an issue. Nonetheless, if you believe /BLM or /SMN would be better, then that is fine. We'll gladly try it.

    The whole point of this thread is to stimulate discussion, so any criticisms are welcome. No need to say we're "doing it wrong" when we haven't even started, though.
    If she has cure cast time merits then /rdm and clogs are over kill in my opinion. It's a really huge diminishing return once you have 5/5 cure cast time merits (I saw virtually no difference with /rdm + clogs + Loq.) I usually just sub BLM as well. If you would like I could come with you guys if you do it when I'm free and can help you guys out. (P.S. Hi Kohan :D )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohan View Post
    She doesn't "need" Fast Cast, per se. She already has Cure Clogs, Loquacious, et cetera. I only thought that it would be a good complement to her existing equipment, and I assumed such because MP should not be an issue. Nonetheless, if you believe /BLM or /SMN would be better, then that is fine. We'll gladly try it.

    The whole point of this thread is to stimulate discussion, so any criticisms are welcome. No need to say we're "doing it wrong" when we haven't even started, though.
    with cure cast bonus + clogs you'll see no return at all on cures from being /rdm.

    -na spells don't need the speed boost and you shouldn't be casting regen that often for it to hurt you there. etc. I'd really consider bringing her on a more powerful sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaruMortis View Post
    If she has cure cast time merits then /rdm and clogs are over kill in my opinion. It's a really huge diminishing return once you have 5/5 cure cast time merits (I saw virtually no difference with /rdm + clogs + Loq.) I usually just sub BLM as well. If you would like I could come with you guys if you do it when I'm free and can help you guys out. (P.S. Hi Kohan :D )
    Thank you for the offer of help, I won't forget about it. :D Also, your explaining why it's not that useful was very helpful, too. Considering her gear and merits, I now better understand why /RDM is entirely unnecessary, so she'll come /BLM instead. I've changed the first post accordingly, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amele View Post
    with cure cast bonus + clogs you'll see no return at all on cures from being /rdm.

    -na spells don't need the speed boost and you shouldn't be casting regen that often for it to hurt you there. etc. I'd really consider bringing her on a more powerful sub.
    Thanks for this as well. That's all there is to it, then: /RDM is out, /BLM is in!

    I think we're pretty solid at this point. Thanks again to everyone who contributed.

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