Current Alexandrite and currency prices on other servers

[4evrDRG]

There is a difference between people that will finish their mythic because they are intelligent in what they buy for and people that buy everything they see and will never finish.

I can guess which one you are.

You'd be wrong. You're also an ass.

I agree that buying Alex. for anything more than say ~2k would be a bad idea. I am upgrading relic however, not mythic and for most of my dynamis life I was in shells where sponsership was not allowed and you had to do your best to buy currency at good prices. As you can see from my sig I was about 70% done before the update.

I am finally able to sponser now but not everybody is upgrading a horn or aegis and has the ls bend over backwards to accomodate them (not saying that was what occurred in your case either but everybodys circumstances are different).

[Ramses]

There is a simple reason you don't see 5k shells or bronzepieces: you keep buying them at 9-10k. Have some restraint. I guarantee you prices would be down in a week if someone bazaared that long without them selling.

[4evrDRG]

1. I am not the only person buying currency, a single person has little impact on the price.
2. I don't buy o.pieces at all, I finished that stage quite a while ago.
3. I get my shells for about a 30% discount to market from my own private suppliers so I never touch the bazzars.

[Ramses]

"You" referred to anyone buying currency at those prices.

[4evrDRG]

Fair enough.

You would agree though, that markets don't generally work that way unless there is collaboration involved. Once a commodities price drops lower than what is considered fair price, buyers will come in to purchase it at the 'cheap' price and push it back up. Of course it's up to those buyers to determine what they believe to be fair price. The only way the price will fall is if supply far exceeds demand, and that apparently hasn't happened yet.

[orson]

There's actually a thread that is talking about the exact same thing in the newbie section but the discussion has more people talking about how 30k is too much. I think that they either should have made Alexandrites a point system or made them drop from Nyzul Isle. I think the whole system was based on a group working to get their mythics together and the alexandrites seem like a repeat of the relic system.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63421

P.S. On Alexander I haven't seen the alexandrites going for much less than 4-5k so foolish or extremely rich people are buying them.

[Neosutra]

You'd be wrong. You're also an ass.

I agree that buying Alex. for anything more than say ~2k would be a bad idea. I am upgrading relic however, not mythic and for most of my dynamis life I was in shells where sponsership was not allowed and you had to do your best to buy currency at good prices. As you can see from my sig I was about 70% done before the update.

I am finally able to sponser now but not everybody is upgrading a horn or aegis and has the ls bend over backwards to accomodate them (not saying that was what occurred in your case either but everybodys circumstances are different).

I'm right till you finish, so fuck off.

And yes, i'm an asshole to idiots, have we not met?

[Demosthenes11]

There is a simple reason you don't see 5k shells or bronzepieces: you keep buying them at 9-10k. Have some restraint. I guarantee you prices would be down in a week if someone bazaared that long without them selling.

seriously?
GOD if only people would stop buying plasma TVs at such a high price we could buy them for so much cheaper. Fucking idiots I tell you!

Economics is not a science of what if

[Xrave]

a single person has little impact on the price.

Take that single person and have them buy currency for 10k from bazaar. All the people selling see that someone is buying at that price and they start keeping the prices at that point.

All it takes is 1 person.

[4evrDRG]

I'm right till you finish, so fuck off.

And yes, i'm an asshole to idiots, have we not met?

You haven't been right about a single thing that you've said in this thread thus far.

As far as the idiot thing, you really hurt me there. Statistically speaking, as a random individual taken from the populace you have about a 0.5% chance at having an IQ that matches mine. If you can beat me there, great. That hardly makes me an idiot though.

I'm done with this thread now. My original post was simply to answer the OP's question and my intent wasn't to get into an arguement with a moron.

Edit: Xrave, that isn't exactly how it would work. It may cause a brief rise in price if they were buying a significant amount of the currency. At the same time, the sellers would not have anymore demand because they would finish the stage quickly and prices would fall accordingly. Unless there were others willing to buy at those prices to begin with, in which case it is more than a single person.

Anyway, have fun with the thread ~.^

[Neosutra]

seriously?
GOD if only people would stop buying plasma TVs at such a high price we could buy them for so much cheaper. Fucking idiots I tell you!

Economics is not a science of what if

RL economics dont play a factor into this game on a literal translation beyond simple supply and demand.

I never once paid market price for my aegis currency. I could have finished a year earlier had I been willing to spend an extra 100mil on rolanmart ripoffs. Those prices are only for the permanant stage2/3 morons that have no hope of ever finishing. The difference between a relic upgrader and a relic owner is being smart with your gil. Mythic follows the same principles.

[Ramses]

seriously?
GOD if only people would stop buying plasma TVs at such a high price we could buy them for so much cheaper. Fucking idiots I tell you!

Economics is not a science of what if

Applying real life economics is what is idiotic. The cost of dynamis was just cut in half. The cost of currency relative to dynamis is way out of whack. Talking about plasma tvs is dumb.

[Xrave]

Edit: Xrave, that isn't exactly how it would work. It may cause a brief rise in price if they were buying a significant amount of the currency. At the same time, the sellers would not have anymore demand because they would finish the stage quickly and prices would fall accordingly. Unless there were others willing to buy at those prices to begin with, in which case it is more than a single person.

That one person could be from a LS that makes a lot of gil and they'll be doing relic after relic. It has happened on our server.

[Vodou]

Applying real life economics is what is idiotic. The cost of dynamis was just cut in half. The cost of currency relative to dynamis is way out of whack. Talking about plasma tvs is dumb.

The cost of dynamis does not determine the price of the currency.

Currency prices are set by the market's valuation of what the alternatives are to what they can use gil for in the game. If they are willing to pay 7k for currency, it means that the alternative uses for the currency are worth 7k or less to them.

Now, lowering the price of dynamis MIGHT increase supply which might decrease the cost to buyers (due to more supply than the market was willing to absorb at 7k). But you have zero proof that reducing dynamis cost has led to increased supply, so your comment is unsupported.

[Vodou]

RL economics dont play a factor into this game on a literal translation beyond simple supply and demand.

I never once paid market price for my aegis currency. I could have finished a year earlier had I been willing to spend an extra 100mil on rolanmart ripoffs. Those prices are only for the permanant stage2/3 morons that have no hope of ever finishing. The difference between a relic upgrader and a relic owner is being smart with your gil. Mythic follows the same principles.

True. You MIGHT have paid less by waiting 1 year to complete your relic. Meanwhile, other people had theirs for 12 months.

And you are confused. You didnt pay less because you were "smarter" than the "morons". You paid less because there was massive deflation in the economy everywhere. Anyone and everyone who did not pay for almost anything and everything got lower prices.

There are people who take pride in "never paying market price." They get day old bread, scratched TVs, used clothes, stand in line for hours to get in on the annual sale, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that but call it what it is and understand it. Others VALUE stuff now and stuff new and stuff fresh. You don't No biggie but its got nothing to do with smarts and everything to do with values.

[Ramses]

My comment was that people who pay 9-10k for currency are stupid and it is quite supported. When you can grab five friends, do dynamis and come out with more currency than you can buy with the 500k you spent on dynamis, it is stupid to buy from bazaars. If everyone could control themselves and not buy for a minute, prices would be down in no time. People selling them would have no problem taking a little off because they know they are still better off than before the update. Right now they are just laughing at the dumbasses still buying.

[Neosutra]

True. You MIGHT have paid less by waiting 1 year to complete your relic. Meanwhile, other people had theirs for 12 months.

And you are confused. You didnt pay less because you were "smarter" than the "morons". You paid less because there was massive deflation in the economy everywhere. Anyone and everyone who did not pay for almost anything and everything got lower prices.

There are people who take pride in "never paying market price." They get day old bread, scratched TVs, used clothes, stand in line for hours to get in on the annual sale, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that but call it what it is and understand it. Others VALUE stuff now and stuff new and stuff fresh. You don't No biggie but its got nothing to do with smarts and everything to do with values.

Ya, because I confused market deflation with paying less than market average. You are a fucking moron. Ill still have my burtgang while 95% of the people on most servers are still mythic/relicless so I would stfu about shit you obviously know nothing about.

People that are smart with pricing WILL be the first to complete. Idiot.

[Vodou]

Ya, because I confused market deflation with paying less than market average. You are a fucking moron. Ill still have my burtgang while 95% of the people on most servers are still mythic/relicless so I would stfu about shit you obviously know nothing about.

People that are smart with pricing WILL be the first to complete. Idiot.

So lets sum this up:

1) you have a deep seated fear of being taken advantage of: of paying too much

2) you worry about not being smarter than others (everyone seems to be stupid or an idiot or a moron)

3) you don't like people disagreeing with you: it sounds like they think you are wrong

You will have your Burtang (assuming you get one) about 12 months after everyone else since you are "too smart" to pay the market price.

[Jakson]

So lets sum this up:

1) you have a deep seated fear of being taken advantage of: of paying too much

2) you worry about not being smarter than others (everyone seems to be stupid or an idiot or a moron)

3) you don't like people disagreeing with you: it sounds like they think you are wrong

You are excused from this thread. This is grown up talks we are having.

Pic of your relic pls.

[Ruiner]

Pic of your relic pls.

Not a picture, but http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=53562&sid=21.