So... any server owning the Beastforts this week?

[Lyramion]

Anyone make an effort to take over the forts Saturday night? Any server snagged a Beastman fort? Maybe another area than La Vaule?


On Carbi Sando n Windy have all areas excluding the Forts - this means now Beastmen Fort Campaigns will happen and we have a chance to take over next week?

[Kicoe]

Odin has La Vaule again.

[Toksyuryel]

It's not required for campaign to occur to take over the fort, you just have to be more proactive about it and risk your XP to do it. No one owns the forts this week on unicorn, but sandy does own everything else.

[Octavious]

yea, no one owns any Beastmen Forts on CaitSith...but somehow we managed to have every nation take back the initial 6 areas. @.@

[Wenslydale]

Bastok on Bismarck has all territories except Beadeaux [S] so... maybe next week, we'll have to see.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Moved to WotG section

Because it's pretty obviously WotG stuff

[LD]

The sandy on my server got La Vaule, but lost Eldieme. Probably not gunna get Splitting Heirs, I dunno (I'm Bastok.)
Bastok got Pashhow back, so we can attack Beadeaux.
Durst is an area short, don't care. Fuckers got all the Freelances anyway. -_-

[Gwynplaine]

I'd like to hear about what Odin did to regain La Vaule. My server has La Vaule and Oztroja open to battle this week but stronghold campaign seems relatively rare so far.

[Lyramion]

I just did 3-4 Campaigns in Castle Oz. At first it was all nice and dandy then the defenders popped out of nowhere into the mob of people. VT mobs repopped and as I went to turn in my tag and get a new one everyone was dead.

We pushed the Fortification down to 290 but next campaign is was already back to 300

[Halion]

My friend said it's not available (at max rank) so Diabolos Sandy fails hardcore this week lol. Go through all the trouble to get La Vaule and then lose Eldieme.~

[Lordwafik]

Not asura. I'm interested in making a WotG Bastok LS that'll focus on raping the quads during my night time, unfortunately I live on JP time so finding NAs that would be willing to do this and allied with bastok would be rare.

[Not Kuno]

My friend said it's not available (at max rank) so Diabolos Sandy fails hardcore this week lol. Go through all the trouble to get La Vaule and then lose Eldieme.~

Wow that's super gay.

Sandy attacked La Vaule last week with no success. Frankly, it's too hard and people just don't care.

[Lordwafik]

Wow that's super gay.

Sandy attacked La Vaule last week with no success. Frankly, it's too hard and people just don't care.

Can you blame them though? It's basically rewardless untill you do the BCNM, and even then it's a shit ton of effort.

Also, there's no RP servers in this game. 5 bucks says if SE make an official RP server, we'll see that server constantly raping the beastmen since the whole server would be out campaigning.

[Hashmalum]

Sitting in Windurst (S) on Ragnarok, I noticed that the Cougar Volunteers or some such unit attacked Castle Oztroja (S)--only to be eventually defeated when NINE of the eleven possible yagudo units showed up. Since I was trying to do Aegis Scream, I was rather annoyed, as this meant no defensive battles for quite a while. Given the length of the battle I assume that some JPs were trying to take the zone, but ultimately they failed. It's easy to see why too--with that many units, the lag alone would be enough to kill anyone.

[Altron]

It's not so much the lag there in Castle O, it's more of the surroundings that'll kill you/allied NPC's. I'm sure it goes for all the stronghold battles too, but the mobs that are not campaign mobs will aggro you or link to the campaign troops you're trying to kill or pull away. I have to say though, these battles are really fun to do. For almost two and a half hours Windy attacked Castle O with 3 groups of NPC's over that time. During that there was 8 defending waves that popped up + the engineers that rebuilt all the Manlets and we managed to chase 5 of those waves out. It doesn't take many people to help do this, as there was only 7 of us there the entire time that would pull stuff to them, cure, buff, ect. The only downfall of these are they are a long run unless you use the teleport crystal to get there.

[Kaylia]

Can you blame them though? It's basically rewardless untill you do the BCNM, and even then it's a shit ton of effort.

Also, there's no RP servers in this game. 5 bucks says if SE make an official RP server, we'll see that server constantly raping the beastmen since the whole server would be out campaigning.

Allied nations should be able to take over beastman by themselves, without the help of players (player could speed up the process tho). Once they own every areas, it would be beastman turn to get stronger and take over It would be easy to make a 4-5 weeks cycle like this one.

The current system is just retarded, especially on smaller server.



[edit]
Actually, Tally system is retarded. Make that shit dynamic, and winning/losing a battle make the fort change automatically.

[Hashmalum]

Allied nations should be able to take over beastman by themselves, without the help of players (player could speed up the process tho). Once they own every areas, it would be beastman turn to get stronger and take over It would be easy to make a 4-5 weeks cycle like this one.

I've long thought that Campaign's fundamental design flaw is the presence of numerous self-reinforcing feedback loops. If you lose a lot, your units get weaker, maker it even harder to win, causing you to keep losing. If you lose a region, you lose that region's resources causing it to be even harder to win, with the same result. Basically, once you get in a hole, it's damn hard to dig out. Likewise, when you are on top, it's easy to stay there (which is why the allied NPCs were nerfed a while back). This is realistic, but it's a form of realism that isn't particularly desirable. After all, in the real world, these sort of vicious/virtuous cycles are why wars eventually end. That's the problem, though--Campaign isn't supposed to end! It's supposed to go on and on until the server gets switched off. They got it right in Besieged, which ramps it up harder and harder until you fail, then resets.

Campaign's other big problem is the fact that a lot of the things you need to do to actually win are not rewarded, and are in fact even punished. The most obvious example: the fact that you get no reward for killing campaign units without tags on, but still lose it if you die. Since the goddamn beastmen engineer units mostly show up when there is no battle going on, this means that they get to act unopposed. The supply transporters have the same problem. Another, lesser example: if you stick around after battle ends to raise people who died in the battle, you get nothing for it, aside from possibly gratitude.

[LD]

The only reason Lu Vaule was captured on Diabolos was because people would fight mobs when there was no campaign. Sandy will probably get eldieme and keep La Vaule next week by using the same tactics.

[Xerlic]

70 JPs + NAs swarmed into La Vaule on Titan Sunday morning NA time. They managed to push the bar to about 40% Sandoria and 60% Beastmen, but couldn't get any higher due to a short campaign right before the Tally.

[Lyramion]

70! Holy! Did someone do a shout or organise lots of LSes? lol