NFL Week 5 - And then there was 3

[Akiyama]

You seem to have failed to put "(minus one game)" on the top 3 categories. The 1 less game for yards and points per game helps Baltimore in those categories a shitload.

Baltimore also has 3 starters out on defense including Rolle and Landry. Tennessee is better and healthier.

Hrm. Actually, Philly is ahead in rushing yards per game at 53.8 while Baltimore is at 69.7. It's hard to truly test things if they haven't played the same teams and such.

Same with Passing Yards Per Game and Points Per Game really. That's heavily skewed. Look who they have played. An 0-4 Cincy, a 1-3 Cleveland, and a banged up Pittsburgh. I'm not saying Baltimore is a bad team, oh no no. I just don't think we've really seen them for who they are. Need to give em a few more weeks. I don't trust them.

[Plow]

Rushing Yards per game allowed - Baltimore
Passing Yard per game allowed- Baltimore
Points per game allowed - Tennessee
INTs - Tennesee 8, Baltimore 5 (minus one game)
Forced Fumbles - Tennessee 8, Baltimore 4 (minus one game)
Sacks - Tennessee 15, Baltimore 9 (minus one game)
Passes deflected - Tennessee 25, Baltimore 21 (minus one game)

Good fucking crack eh?

Call me in week 17 when the Ravens hold the Jags to 33 yards rushing.

[Tyche]

Hrm. Actually, Philly is ahead in rushing yards per game at 53.8 while Baltimore is at 69.7. It's hard to truly test things if they haven't played the same teams and such.

Same with Passing Yards Per Game and Points Per Game really. That's heavily skewed. Look who they have played. An 0-4 Cincy, a 1-3 Cleveland, and a banged up Pittsburgh. I'm not saying Baltimore is a bad team, oh no no. I just don't think we've really seen them for who they are. Need to give em a few more weeks. I don't trust them.

Tennessee has played the terrible O-line of Jacksonville, The 0-4 Bengals, the 0-3 Texans, and the 1-3 underachieving vikings. The tennesee schedule doesn't have much more to brag about lol.

@PLow, Jax has injuries to the o-line, they'll be healthier and more experienced in week 17, so poor poor argument.

[Akiyama]

Tennessee has played the terrible O-line of Jacksonville, The 0-4 Bengals, the 0-3 Texans, and the 1-3 underachieving vikings. The tennesee schedule doesn't have much more to brag about lol.

Yeah, but come on. It's more than Cincy, Cleveland, and a bashed Pitt don't you think? I think it sucks for what Houston has gone through with their stadium, and the Vikings had their QB issues. Then again, I could be looked at as making excuses, so I won't really worry about that. How about both teams have equally bad schedules? Haha.

[Kyo]

Titans have a pretty weak schedule besides like 3-4 games.

[Tyche]

I want to see Tennessee and Indi. I just looked at tennessee's schedule, and man they play some soft fucking offenses. Other than Indi, the Jets, and I guess maybe green bay, they play some stagnant offenses. Baltimore has to go through the colts, giants, eagles, redskins, cowboys...that's going to be brutal for that defense.

[Headspace]

Oh wow, I didn't realize this.

I was watching Jim Rome and he mentioned how Pacman, Tank Johnson, Cedric Benson, and Chris Henry will all be in Dallas. Someone's getting shot this weekend.

[Kyo]

Cedric Benson no thanks. They were talkin about TJ houz bein a cowboy next year or possibly chad johnson, bt keep that pos benson away.

[Headspace]

Cedric Benson no thanks. They were talkin about TJ houz bein a cowboy next year or possibly chad johnson, bt keep that pos benson away.

Was talking about Bengals @ Dallas this Sunday.

I can see Chad getting traded this year, but they're going to Franchise tag Housh, I can almost guarantee it.

[Kyo]

They should honestly, he's a good reciever and doesnt say much and gets shit done.

[Deejay]

They should honestly, he's a good reciever and doesnt say much and gets shit done.

Housh? Don't let Chad's gigantic shadow fool you, TJ talks his fair share. I remember him whiping his ass (or something to that effect) with the terrible towels after a crucial win at Pittsburgh one season.

He's backing his shit up though, unlike Chad who wants to pretend he's a warrior for playing hurt and isn't effective at all.

[Plow]

Housh? Don't let Chad's gigantic shadow fool you, TJ talks his fair share. I remember him whiping his ass (or something to that effect) with the terrible towels after a crucial win at Pittsburgh one season.

He's backing his shit up though, unlike Chad who wants to pretend he's a warrior for playing hurt and isn't effective at all.

Don't fool yourself, Housh is pretty good but probably a good 70% of his catches are due to Chad Johnson's presence.


If you've been watching CJ for the past few years it's quite obvious his injury is holding him back hugely, you don't have to like him cuz of his mouth and his antics but there's not much doubt he has the best overall skillset of any wr out there.

[Deejay]

Don't fool yourself, Housh is pretty good but probably a good 70% of his catches are due to Chad Johnson's presence.

I'm sorry, but you don't catch 112 balls in a season by accident, chad or no chad. Unless Ochocinco air-mailed the football into TJ's arms on 75 different occasions last season...

Edit:

Not to mention that TJ is well on his way to replicating last season's performance with shit for an O-line, an ailing CJ, and hobbled quarterbacks.

[Kyo]

I guess I meant he doesnt say a whole lot, its not an instance like chad johnson where he runs his mouth constantly.

But I think Chad is a good reviever, but so far he's pretty fail 118 yards on 11 ctaches through 4 games.

[Headspace]

I guess I meant he doesnt say a whole lot, its not an instance like chad johnson where he runs his mouth constantly.

But I think Chad is a good reviever, but so far he's pretty fail 118 yards on 11 ctaches through 4 games.

The whole team is pretty fail, except for the cornerbacks and 2nd year safeties.

[Plow]

I'm sorry, but you don't catch 112 balls in a season by accident, chad or no chad. Unless Ochocinco air-mailed the football into TJ's arms on 75 different occasions last season...

How many catches does Wes Welker have this year? Brady gets hurt, Moss takes the year off, teams stop concerning themselves with him, rest of the offense does jack shit. (edit, forgot they had a bye week so welker's numbers aren't that bad, 59ish yards a game though)


As I said, Housh is good, but playing across from the best in the game will make any WR look considerably better than they really are.


Keep telling yourself that CJ being disgusted with his team as well as blowing the shit out of his shoulder means he's not what's made the offense go for the last few years as they go from one of the best in the league to the worst in the league when his performance slows.


And Housh is on pace for less than 100 catches and barely covering 1000 yards.

[Deejay]

How many catches does Wes Welker have this year? Brady gets hurt, Moss takes the year off, teams stop concerning themselves with him, rest of the offense does jack shit. (edit, forgot they had a bye week so welker's numbers aren't that bad, 59ish yards a game though)

Wes Welker caught 70 balls playing for the shitty ass Dolphins. No shit his catches went up, playing in one of the best offenses of all time. With one of the best QB's of all time.

As I said, Housh is good, but playing across from the best in the game will make any WR look considerably better than they really are.

So why isn't Patrick Crayton catching 100 balls a season? Roy Williams? Reggie Wayne didn't even have a 100 catch season until Marvin missed a whole year.

If it were so easy to do, why aren't more people doing it?

Keep telling yourself that CJ being disgusted with his team as well as blowing the shit out of his shoulder means he's not what's made the offense go for the last few years as they go from one of the best in the league to the worst in the league when his performance slows.

No one said CJ doesn't deserve credit. and lol... You've got your shit ass backwards. The offense didn't go to shit because of CJ, it went to shit because of the offensive line.

And Housh is on pace for less than 100 catches and barely covering 1000 yards.

Excuse me, but are you trying to say that being on pace for 96 catches and 1,100 yards is a bad thing with an offense that's started injured/backup quarterbacks, below average line, below average running game, and a defense that can't stay off the field? And if Chad's success as a WR was so integral to TJ's, why the fuck is he still having a good season?

I never said Chad Johnson didn't have anything to do with TJ's success, I said don't let his dominance fool you into thinking TJ isn't as good as he is. If it were so easy to play #2 with a great WR, more players would be dominating. You don't catch 7-8 balls week in and week out if you're not a good player. End of story.

[Plow]

Wes Welker caught 70 balls playing for the shitty ass Dolphins. No shit his catches went up, playing in one of the best offenses of all time. With one of the best QB's of all time.

Welker was a bad example, but he still fits the point that you look better than you are when the defenses are focused on the other guy. Remember I've argued on Welker's behalf, that doesn't mean I don't realize he'd be under a lot tighter coverage if there was no Moss. Perhaps Gaffney would be a better example.

So why isn't Patrick Crayton catching 100 balls a season?

Do you honestly believe Jason Whitten is better than Kellen Winslow? Gates?

Roy Williams?

Roy Williams sucks.

Reggie Wayne didn't even have a 100 catch season until Marvin missed a whole year.

The Colts run a much more balanced offense than the Bungles, and Wayne quite simply had never performed near the level he played at last year.

If it were so easy to do, why aren't more people doing it?

Almost every team that has a great receiver has another guy overperforming. Previously mentioned Cowboys, Chris Cooley is a good player, but do you really think he's a top flight tight end year in and year out without moss and portis around to occupy defenses' minds? Pats with Gaffney and Welker, Cotchery and Coles together make them both much better than either is without a strong other option, the list goes on.

Take a look at the receiving stats for the last few years, a whole lot of teams tend to have their top guy ranked at whatever position, and then the next guy a few spots behind.

No one said CJ doesn't deserve credit. and lol... You've got your shit ass backwards. The offense didn't go to shit because of CJ, it went to shit because of the offensive line.

The Bungles oline has been bad forever, pretty sure last year was the first time Palmer's been sacked less than 35 times.

Excuse me, but are you trying to say that being on pace for 96 catches and 1,100 yards is a bad thing with an offense that's started injured/backup quarterbacks, below average line, below average running game, and a defense that can't stay off the field? And if Chad's success as a WR was so integral to TJ's, why the fuck is he still having a good season?

Nope, not at all. Just responding to you saying he's well on pace to matching a considerably better performance.

And to the question, because he's the primary option in the offense, and defenses are still concerned with CJ.

I never said Chad Johnson didn't have anything to do with TJ's success, I said don't let his dominance fool you into thinking TJ isn't as good as he is. If it were so easy to play #2 with a great WR, more players would be dominating. You don't catch 7-8 balls week in and week out if you're not a good player. End of story.

It's retarded to talk shit on Chad Johnson for having a few bad weeks while dealing with an injury most people wouldn't play with, especially on a shitty team he doesn't want to be playing for anyway.

[Headspace]

The Bungles oline has been bad forever, pretty sure last year was the first time Palmer's been sacked less than 35 times.

Actually they only have one season since Carson became the starter where they've allowed 35 or more and that was the year after his knee surgery. Which is also the year they lost their 10-13 year veteran center who later retired (this is why they haven't had a run game since 05, their current center is the worst in the league).

They've got two OL players that don't want to be here in Stacy Andrews and Levi Jones who are basically letting people walk over them this year.

[Kyo]

Not worth my time, but plow you make me laugh every week, thanks.