NFL Week 5 - And then there was 3

[Deejay]

Ok, even in looks, one has 170 yards 19 receptions, one has 95 yards 11 receptions.

Gee golly gusy, whooz numbar 1

I'll take this post as confirmation that you're trolling, as no one is this dumb.

Fuck the past 4 years of their careers guys, obviously the past 4 games is all that matters when deciding who the #1 option on a team is.

[Colm]

Edwards has also dropped at least 6 catches this season.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...e=NFL&rank=232

[Kyo]

He's also actively trolling/argueing the shit out of the college thread too.

[Plow]

I'll take this post as confirmation that you're trolling, as no one is this dumb.

Fuck the past 4 years of their careers guys, obviously the past 4 games is all that matters when deciding who the #1 option on a team is.

Yes, fuck the past 4 years, that way you don't have to realize Winslow's caught more balls in both of the years he's actually played, even Edwards' break-out year last year.

[Akiyama]

So... more catches = #1 option then? I guess that means Wes Welker was Tom Brady's #1 option last year in New England.

[Plow]

So... more catches = #1 option then? I guess that means Wes Welker was Tom Brady's #1 option last year in New England.

It's called evidence to support the claim.

And, yes, the argument could be made that Moss is not really a #1 option, but I don't want to go into that because arguing the technicalities of receiver with people that can't possibly allow themselves to look like they were wrong while discussing something with me would be utterly pointless, kind of like all of this ridiculous bullshit stemming from me pointing out that TJ Whosyerdaddy does better than he should because of Chad OCHO CINCO.

[Akiyama]

Hrm. My thoughts on Housh have always been this. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) I always looked at Housh as more of a possession receiver who actually got in the endzone (because a lot of possession receivers seem to avoid the endzone somehow) while Chad was more of a deep threat like Moss (albeit not as good.) Housh seems to always get his 90+ catches, and his YAC is really good so he gets TDs. That's just how I always looked at the two differently.

[Deejay]

It's called evidence to support the claim.

And, yes, the argument could be made that Moss is not really a #1 option, but I don't want to go into that because arguing the technicalities of receiver with people that can't possibly allow themselves to look like they were wrong while discussing something with me would be utterly pointless, kind of like all of this ridiculous bullshit stemming from me pointing out that TJ Whosyerdaddy does better than he should because of Chad OCHO CINCO.

Which is only making your point more retarded because you agreed that TJ was the #2, even though he got a shitload more catches than chad last year.... and now.

Choose a side and stick to it Plow. You're only making yourself look more dumb.

[Haiko]

Roy Williams playing tomorrow? I can't find anything if he is or not

[Plow]

Hrm. My thoughts on Housh have always been this. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) I always looked at Housh as more of a possession receiver who actually got in the endzone (because a lot of possession receivers seem to avoid the endzone somehow) while Chad was more of a deep threat like Moss (albeit not as good.) Housh seems to always get his 90+ catches, and his YAC is really good so he gets TDs. That's just how I always looked at the two differently.

I'd say that's accurate, but Chad is a muuuuuuuch better possession receiver/over the middle/route runner kind of player than most people realize, far better at those aspects than Moss. As far as I've seen overall he has the best hands of anybody in the league by quite a bit, that's what really makes him shine.

Basically I'd say... well, Housh has gotten better in the deep game too. Before last year I'd say they were near equal as far as the possession role goes, with CJ being much much better in the deep game. At this point, I'd say Housh is just a tiny bit better than Chad in the other stuff, and while he's covered the gap a decent bit, there's still a clear difference in the deep game.

[Kyo]

He'll prob be out another week im guessing. We need him rdy for the giants game tho.

[Deejay]

Being the #1 is more than just "who gets the most catches". You have to take into account how defenses guard you. They always line their best defenders on the best receiver. Moss, Fitzgerald, Chad, (recently) Wayne, and Edwards are clear number #1's when healthy on their teams because they always get safety help and are guarded by the team's best CB. (except in NE)

[Plow]

Which is only making your point more retarded because you agreed that TJ was the #2, even though he got a shitload more catches than chad last year.... and now.

Choose a side and stick to it Plow. You're only making yourself look more dumb.

I'm sorry that my thought processes are over your head, but it is possible for situations to vary.

Housh gets more catches because CJ as the first option is always in double coverage and doesn't always get open.

Winslow gets more catches because as the first option he gets the ball thrown to him, and catches it, even when he's in double coverage and not open at all. He's a freak of nature.

Different teams and different offenses play differently, and their stats reflect it.

In the end, it's just another example of a team with 2 receivers that feed off each other and produce similar results.

Being the #1 is more than just "who gets the most catches". You have to take into account how defenses guard you. They always line their best defenders on the best receiver. Moss, Fitzgerald, Chad, (recently) Wayne, and Edwards are clear number #1's when healthy on their teams because they always get safety help and are guarded by the team's best CB. (except in NE)

That is just not the case with Edwards and Winslow. Teams focus on stopping Winslow first, because the Browns look to go to Winslow first, this is what allows Edwards to make the big plays that he does.

[Deejay]

Again, defenses always guard the offenses' biggest threat. You can't tell me Edwards' doesn't require safety help over the top whenever he lines up wide. Moreso than Winslow. And Braylon get's a bulk of the goal-line tosses because that's his specialty. He's a threat deep just as much as he is short.

[Plow]

Again, defenses always guard the offenses' biggest threat. You can't tell me Edwards' doesn't require safety help over the top whenever he lines up wide. Moreso than Winslow. And Braylon get's a bulk of the goal-line tosses because that's his specialty. He's a threat deep just as much as he is short.

You honestly believe Braylon Edwards vs a corner is more of a mismatch than Winslow vs anybody? Do you understand how football works, honestly?

[Deejay]

What the hell is your point when Edwards puts up better numbers? He's obviously the best option if he routinely scores more TD's, and gets more yards. Regardless of the matchup Winslow has. That's what makes him the #1.

[Plow]

What the hell is your point when Edwards puts up better numbers?

holy


shit




really...



I'm getting trolled to hell aren't I? There's no fucking way you actually just said that and meant it...


I just showed you that you're fucking wrong about the numbers, you tried to say then that the numbers don't matter, now you're back to the numbers with like... nothing in between there even? Holy shit you're really this dumb aren't you?

[Deejay]

You were talking about numbers over the past 4 games dipshit. Not the past 2 seasons where Braylons caught more TD's, and more yards. He's guarded by the best option on defense. This hasn't changed. The situation is the exact same in Cincinatti between Chad/Housh.

Looks like a #1, smells like a #1, gee whiz guess it's a #1.

[Plow]

And Randy Moss is better than Jerry Rice.

[Deejay]

Nupe he just breaks his records.