Bush Illegally Turns Army Inwards

[Rivieras]

Source of the Deployment: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/0...eland_090708w/

Source of the Request to raise the issue: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o...aign_KEY=26045

President George W. Bush, in violation of long-standing federal law, is poised to turn the U.S. military on the citizens of this nation. This is a shocking development and I hope that during the upcoming presidential debate you will ensure that the two candidates share their feelings about this action.

For more than 200 years, federal laws have protected the American people against the use of military forces on our own soil. Strengthened in 1878 by the Posse Comitatus Act, these laws have guaranteed that the federal government could not use the military for domestic law enforcement purposes.

Without such protection, the federal government could use the might of our army to violate state and individual rights. Moreover, minor incursions by the military into domestic law enforcement activity could lay the foundation for the imposition of martial law at a moment’s notice. This is one slippery slope we don’t want to start sliding down.

That is why I am deeply disturbed by the news that President Bush has assigned the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team to be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army component of Northern Command (NorthCom). According to an article in "Army Times", the soldiers could be called upon for a variety of tasks, including quelling “civil unrest.” They are apparently engaged in training with shields and batons, beanbag bullets, and Tasers.

This is a true and immediate threat to our liberty.

That is why I am urging you to raise this issue during the upcoming presidential debate. It is absolutely essential that we understand before the election whether each candidate would fully enforce the Posse Comitatus Act if elected.

I sincerely hope that you will consider asking such a question.

Responses should be interesting - Tinfoil Hats Prevail!

[kuronosan]

Heh.

[miokomioko]

Technicality... what difference does it make if it's a douche is wearing camo or a douche in a riot police uniform? Also, does turning loose the National Guard on the L.A. riots count as a violation, because I know that happened.

[Rivieras]

To be honest; I'm not even here to argue the technicalities but more to raise awareness of what is going on. Personally; any person will do as they wish but at least knowing what is going on is better than staying ignorant of the facts. And while Bush is a lame duck he is still in office until the next President is sworn in. A lot can happen between now and Jan 20th.

[Krandor]

an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

Yes, obviously the military is going to be hunting down citizens in the streets violating our rights.

I know people like to spin stories to benefit their beliefs, but jesus christ.

You actually believe this shit?

[Demosthenes11]

ahahahahah you can't be serious

I think some people really do think Bush is Hitler

[Krandor]

You apparently missed the edit in your top link

A non-lethal crowd control package fielded to 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, described in the original version of this story, is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the U.S., as previously stated.

You good sir, are an idiot.

[Correction]

Technicality... what difference does it make if it's a douche is wearing camo or a douche in a riot police uniform? Also, does turning loose the National Guard on the L.A. riots count as a violation, because I know that happened.

I don't even care if it was patently illegal, without the intervention of the national guard LA would have burned for three weeks instead of three days.

[Rivieras]

You apparently missed the edit in your top link



You good sir, are an idiot.

ahahahahah you can't be serious

I think some people really do think Bush is Hitler

But of course those are your rights and opinions; the difference with me is that I just don't take everything with blind faith aka 'Patriotism'.

That's what the National Guard is for and in the LA Riots instance; which at the time I was living in LA and the shit was going on right outside, was what they were supposed to be used for. Full out Military IS illegal under the Constitution. I think what's been going on is that everyone has become numb to everything that Bush has done and it's now more of a 'meh, it's expected'. I'm just not one that will ever say; It's ok do whatever you want.

"Those that would give up temporary freedom for safety; deserve neither freedom nor safety" Ben Franklin.

[Dimmauk]

That article made me cling to my gun.

[Elesirdur]

ahahahahah you can't be serious

I think some people really do think Bush is Hitler

With your avatar: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/image...ine=1221728093

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic and I'm just getting wooshed here, right?

[Krandor]

But of course those are your rights and opinions; the difference with me is that I just don't take everything with blind faith aka 'Patriotism'.

That's what the National Guard is for and in the LA Riots instance; which at the time I was living in LA and the shit was going on right outside. Full out Military IS illegal under the Constitution. I think what's been going on is that everyone has become numb to everything that Bush has done and it's now more of a 'meh, it's expected'. I'm just not one that will ever say; It's ok do whatever you want.

"Those that would give up temporary freedom for safety; deserve neither freedom nor safety" Ben Franklin.

Are

You

Retarded?

Read what you posted

That is why I am deeply disturbed by the news that President Bush has assigned the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team to be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army component of Northern Command (NorthCom). According to an article in "Army Times", the soldiers could be called upon for a variety of tasks, including quelling “civil unrest.” They are apparently engaged in training with shields and batons, beanbag bullets, and Tasers.

The article directly states that they made a correction, because these troops were being assigned to the WAR ZONE, not the US. The remainder of the troops are being assigned to an emergency response group, which is about as deadly and dangerous to citizens rights as a bagel sitting in a garbage can.

Patriotism nothing, and Fuck Bush, I hate him as much as the next man, but you're just being a blind idiot trying to find reasons to hate the man when there's more then enough already there. You're turning absolutely nothing into this gigantic violation of our rights.

[skurlover]

But of course those are your rights and opinions; the difference with me is that I just don't take everything with blind faith aka 'Patriotism'.

That's what the National Guard is for and in the LA Riots instance; which at the time I was living in LA and the shit was going on right outside, was what they were supposed to be used for. Full out Military IS illegal under the Constitution. I think what's been going on is that everyone has become numb to everything that Bush has done and it's now more of a 'meh, it's expected'. I'm just not one that will ever say; It's ok do whatever you want.

"Those that would give up temporary freedom for safety; deserve neither freedom nor safety" Ben Franklin.

Just Stop, you made a fool out of yourself earlier in the day and now you are just trying to take Guartz's position.

[Correction]

With your avatar: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/image...ine=1221728093

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic and I'm just getting wooshed here, right?

I think Demo explained that image earlier and it's pretty obviously tongue-in-cheek.

[Rivieras]

That is why I am deeply disturbed by the news that President Bush has assigned the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team to be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army component of Northern Command (NorthCom). According to an article in "Army Times", the soldiers could be called upon for a variety of tasks, including quelling “civil unrest.” They are apparently engaged in training with shields and batons, beanbag bullets, and Tasers..

See that's why I posted the secondary source; and while I could go on a rant about you are xxXXXXXxx and XXXXx. I did not write what you are quoting; what I did do was ensure that the smallest article was posted due to not wanting a "tl;dr" going on.

[Sythe]

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[Krandor]

See that's why I posted the secondary source; and while I could go on a rant about you are xxXXXXXxx and XXXXx. I did not write what you are quoting; what I did do was ensure that the smallest article was posted due to not wanting a "tl;dr" going on.

What secondary source? Some completely random person (note the complete lack of any identification in that post) reads the article before it's corrected and goes off in a rage about how Bush is going to kill us all.

For all we know your "secondary source" is you trying to provide proof to your own moronic claims. With no credit given to the writer of that page, it's about as credible as a <insert clever reference> (my brain is dry).

[Correction]

See that's why I posted the secondary source; and while I could go on a rant about you are xxXXXXXxx and XXXXx. I did not write what you are quoting; what I did do was ensure that the smallest article was posted due to not wanting a "tl;dr" going on.

Mistaken analysis of a bad interpretation != a second source. I thought everyone learned the difference between Primary Source and Secondary Source in high school civics/history classes.

[Elesirdur]

Mistaken analysis of a bad interpretation != a second source. I thought everyone learned the difference between Primary Source and Secondary Source in high school civics/history classes.

Judging by the ultra left-wing/liberterian links in his sig and the doobie smoking cartoon bear avatar, I'm going to guess that he either wasn't a) paying attention in class, or b) forgot about it five minutes later.

[Krandor]

That's a shame, I was hoping to get more entertainment out of this. Looks like he already turned tail and ran after realizing how stupid the point he was trying to argue was.