Job Ability Haste has a cap!

[Xrave]

Level 5 DB with Wyvern Earring will give you 30% Haste, more than any combination of DB and Hasso can give.

For 30 seconds. For the other 4.5 min you have 5% less haste than with /SAM.

[Tulun]

Awesome.

This really helps drk merits in general; I am a proponent of 5/5 Diabolic Eye (if you actually use DRK outside of zerging...), and this definitely lends weight to doing 3/5 or 4/5 at most for DB (1 for Dark seal of course).

[Jkun]

For 30 seconds. For the other 4.5 min you have 5% less haste than with /SAM.

I think he meant for 2h Zerging.

I frequent /NIN a lot (for safety's sake) and /DRG for luls in Limbus. This is great testing news Kirst, keep it up. ;3

[kayn]

Thanks for the information.
Time to throw away a merit.

[Raen Ryong]

I think he meant for 2h Zerging.

I frequent /NIN a lot (for safety's sake) and /DRG for luls in Limbus. This is great testing news Kirst, keep it up. ;3

Yah, basically meant that in fights where only the first 30 seconds are likely to matter (Bahamut V2 etc), /drg will in theory be the more powerful sub for 2handed weapons... but then you get an overflow of Haste on 2handed zerg anyway so it may be worth just sticking with the hasso due to it granting accuracy as well (Feint, 2x SV mad etc yeah, but can't hurt).

You could in theory make a stronger build with /drg for those 30 seconds but it would be relatively marginal and so I don't see this completely revolutionising 2h zerg (which is the weaker of the method of zerging at the moment anyway); rather, just meaning I'll be going 5DE/4DB and not the other way around.

[Xrave]

Yah, basically meant that in fights where only the first 30 seconds are likely to matter (Bahamut V2 etc), /drg will in theory be the more powerful sub for 2handed weapons... but then you get an overflow of Haste on 2handed zerg anyway so it may be worth just sticking with the hasso due to it granting accuracy as well (Feint, 2x SV mad etc yeah, but can't hurt).

You could in theory make a stronger build with /drg for those 30 seconds but it would be relatively marginal and so I don't see this completely revolutionising 2h zerg (which is the weaker of the method of zerging at the moment anyway); rather, just meaning I'll be going 5DE/4DB and not the other way around.

Using /DRG is actually the same accuracy as /SAM due to the accuracy trait.

With /DRG you could actually cap gear haste and use only 3 DB merits.

[Mikayla]

Just for the sake of clarity, Sambas are overridden by any added effect on the weapon that a player is using, or anything that generates an added effect (i.e. Blood Weapon). It never takes precedence over any other add effect, so Haste Samba is completely useless with Blood Weapon up, or any enspells from equipment or the actual spells themselves.

[Raen Ryong]

Using /DRG is actually the same accuracy as /SAM due to the accuracy trait.

With /DRG you could actually cap gear haste and use only 3 DB merits.

Oh yeah, my bad. COMPLETELY forgot about that Accuracy Bonus trait <_< dunno how.

[Maguile]

Thanks for the info, kinda sucks that those 10 merits are damn near useless now though.

[Shinsei]

Heh I still think it's useful. That just means in like a merit pt (at least for me) I can put up Seigan + TE on during LR ws spam phase while still retaining the 25%(5 DB) from LR. Also in other instances where I'm on a different sub if needed, I still can utilize the full haste bonus from LR.

[Arthars]

zerging wise maybe drk need look at diff sj :O

but meripo etc where you still need to cut things outside the "drk golden period", /sam seem more haste to me :O

ps. i dont like seigan during LR!!! i like mobs to hit my spikes XD XD

[Nameless]

this definitely explains why i feel a bit slower when I use BZ and zerg with only 7% haste (lvl 4 DB) and go with full HP setup, I am missing 5% haste due to the JA cap. Awesome finding.

[miokomioko]

Does Haste Samba count as a JA haste? I recall hearing it didn't effect recasts, so seems it didn't fall under gear or magic...

[Shinsei]

zerging wise maybe drk need look at diff sj :O

but meripo etc where you still need to cut things outside the "drk golden period", /sam seem more haste to me :O

ps. i dont like seigan during LR!!! i like mobs to hit my spikes XD XD

I do too, but tell that to Mr.Skoffin if his fang rush gives a damn about your dread spikes lol.

[Corinth]

Elmer just told me about this discussion coming out of the Group 2 Merits article. I fully admit I know very little about all the intricate details of the game, especially for Front Line Jobs, so when translating the article I really don't know what's already known and what might be new info. I'm glad it sounds like this piece might have helped a few people with how they spend their merits in the future!

I only did the developers comments for the article but there is actually a whole page dedicated to each job about the various Group 2 Merit options. If there is enough interest, I can translate the DRK page after getting back from Tokyo Game Show.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Elmer just told me about this discussion coming out of the Group 2 Merits article. I fully admit I know very little about all the intricate details of the game, especially for Front Line Jobs, so when translating the article I really don't know what's already known and what might be new info. I'm glad it sounds like this piece might have helped a few people with how they spend their merits in the future!

I only did the developers comments for the article but there is actually a whole page dedicated to each job about the various Group 2 Merit options. If there is enough interest, I can translate the DRK page after getting back from Tokyo Game Show.

That would be amazing

[Nickb]

Does Haste Samba count as a JA haste? I recall hearing it didn't effect recasts, so seems it didn't fall under gear or magic...

Haste Samba is strickly attack speed, has no impact on magic or JA recasts. be interesting to see what SE adds as group 2 merits for dnc when it does come around, think we should all send e-mails telling them to make that a group 2 merit, a haste effect on recasts is all dnc is really missing to make it take a full time place of whm and rdm in merits pts, but then again my dnc is lvl 1 and I have'nt done a lot of merit pts with them so please don't quote me as some expert XD

[Judgeofwings]

Haste Samba is strickly attack speed, has no impact on magic or JA recasts. be interesting to see what SE adds as group 2 merits for dnc when it does come around, think we should all send e-mails telling them to make that a group 2 merit, a haste effect on recasts is all dnc is really missing to make it take a full time place of whm and rdm in merits pts, but then again my dnc is lvl 1 and I have'nt done a lot of merit pts with them so please don't quote me as some expert XD

Oh i was wondering if it affected everything like a "Regular" haste or just attacks, thanks for clearing that up

[jimbobsonofgod]

Replacing a Rdm in a merit party, unheard of.
Sides stuff like feather tickle AOE Spam and amnesia will keep dancers out of main heal situations.
Nobody heals like a Rdm.

[Corinth]

I haven't forgotten about this.

I did a rough t/l of the article yesterday. It just needs to be edited and such before I put it on the site.

nothing new it seems tho. just clearly states that job ability haste caps at 25