Star Wars: The Old Republic Random Question/Discussion thread - F2P

[Kuishen]

world of warcraft.....

Oh the irony~

[vadre]

world of warcraft.....

A humanoid (pronounced /ˈhjuːmənɔɪd/; from English human and -oid "resembling") is something that has an appearance resembling a human being. The term first appeared in 1912 to refer to fossils which were morphologically similar to, but not identical with, those of the human skeleton

They're all pretty similar to the human frame.

[Elvis]

So does everyone hate this game? The fanboy in me is the only thing keeping me interested after reading the feedback here.

[DeathbySnoosnoo]

They're all pretty similar to the human frame.

humaniod is fine but swtor doesnt have that they have modified humans.
trolls, taurens, orcs, even gnomes and dwarfs have more difference than these models
edit: wookies, greedos, those plo koon things, those hammerhead looking guys(my sw terminology sucks) are all basically just different heads on a human body, gimme gimme fuck id settle for freaking sand raiders(especially if i could make their warcry)

So does everyone hate this game? The fanboy in me is the only thing keeping me interested after reading the feedback here.

i dont hate the game, and i am already paid in full for 2 copies(one for the wifey) but it could have easily been so much better, especially since its been in development for so long. the only thing that differentiates this from any other mmo is voice acting and im sure that wont last too long. ffxiv has better graphics, tera has better combat, pretty much any game runs smoother lol, f2p mmos have more class diversity, 10+ year old games have playable races other than humans, the story is ok and the VA is great other than that its vanilla mmo, no sprinkles

[Kuishen]

So does everyone hate this game? The fanboy in me is the only thing keeping me interested after reading the feedback here.

Some people like it, for whatever reason. Game is mediocre in every aspect and does not deliver anything special like it claimed to do.

I honestly have no fucking clue why they didn't make it more like Galaxies because it would have been so much better. The economy was cool, the crafting system was unique and I thought was really cool. The Space Combat was superb, including pvp. Character Creator was even better than TORs. Then you also have minor things like the player-made towns, ability to customize your house by moving items to the very pixel. Just shit like that that made the game fun.

TOR has none of this.

I even dare to say that SWG was a better game post-CU. And that is saying something. This game could have gone places if they had taken the storyline of TOR (albeit not amazing, but still better than most MMOs) and some of the finer aspects of Galaxies.

But no, they half-assed absolutely every aspect of the game, slapped the Bioware and Star Wars stamp on it and called it a day. I hope the game crashes and burns Bioware, maybe it'll take you down a notch and make you realize you can't just pump out shit games every 6 months and get away with it.

edit: Yeah, I mad.

[volcanicweather]

Got the dumb email for the beta survey even though I never got a beta invite, I bet some email marketing people are getting chewed out right about now...

Also thanks everyone for their feedback on the game, unlike others in this thread who don't listen I'm actually going to take the feedback to heart and will not make this a day 1 purchase anymore.

[Katlan]

Do you know of an MMO that uses non humanoid playable races? What other races did you want them to use exactly? Anything non humanoid that can't wear armor or wield weapons just doesn't fit in an MMO, even if it is Star Wars.

WoW, WAR, TERA, GW1, GW2, XI, XIV, ect.... they may all be humanoids but they all have unique skeletons / frames.

Why are you so staunch on defending the game to such idiotic levels? races are one of the MAJOR complaints from nearly everyone, yet you try to defend it? Seriously, you will toss anything out there in order to try and make a defense

[Man0warr]

But no, they half-assed absolutely every aspect of the game, slapped the Bioware and Star Wars stamp on it and called it a day. I hope the game crashes and burns Bioware, maybe it'll take you down a notch and make you realize you can't just pump out shit games every 6 months and get away with it.

What game has Bioware shat out hastily outside of Dragon Age 2? Their track record is just as stellar as Blizzard.

WoW, WAR, TERA, GW1, GW2, XI, XIV, ect.... they may all be humanoids but they all have unique skeletons / frames.

Why are you so staunch on defending the game to such idiotic levels? races are one of the MAJOR complaints from nearly everyone, yet you try to defend it? Seriously, you will toss anything out there in order to try and make a defense

It's just a dumb complaint. Races have never made or broken an MMO, being able to play as Jabba the Hutt isn't going to keep people playing if the gameplay sucks - majority of people don't give a shit how their character looks and most of the time you are just staring at the back of their head. Outside of the gameplay elements of races (racial abilities), which one I choose has no bearing on the game for me. Same for graphics (unless they are really bad).

What mostly matters is gameplay mechanics (combat, UI/control scheme, classes, crafting etc), a varied endgame, and a patch cycle that keeps the content coming. If they don't deliver that the game will fail the same way every other MMO outside of WoW in the last half decade.

Character customization, races, graphics are all secondary and minor to MOST players. I realize some people love spending hours on character creation, but the majority just hit randomize and go on to the next step.

[Gryffes]

If that was true the alliance/horde imbalance in the early days wouldn't have existed.

Yet as soon as horde got a pretty race ( blood elf ) they got masses more players.

tldr moran.

[Katlan]

why is there SOOO much faction imbalance in PvP focused games? Why do you think WoW Horde suffered until BE. and in WAR the good faction (blanking on name) typically always outnumbered the Defiants because ppl liked the "pretty ppl better.' Go look at Aion also, 90% of the servers are Elyos dominant because ppl prefer the prettier race.

Go keep proving yourself to be an idiot though as it's getting amusing

[Man0warr]

There was just as many servers where Horde were the imbalance, especially on PvP servers. In PvP games whichever side starts out slightly dominant on a server will only become more dominant as times goes on - especially if server transfers are available and there is no regulation. People want to be on the winning side.

The main reason people picked Alliance early on is they had the best racial abilities and the best quest zones - the majority of alpha and beta the only side available was Alliance. When the game released Alliance had like 300 more quests - Horde side was basically rushed out.

Do your research.

Using Aion as an arguement on racial imbalance is hilarious, both sides look exactly the same except the color of their skin. Look had nothing to do with Elyos being dominant. It was gameplay elements that resulted in that.

[Katlan]

lol, what about all the other games i pointed out?

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[Arelian]

If people don't give a shit how their character looks, how do you explain people picking a specific race when they just start playing a game for the first time, when they don't really know what the racial abilities do?

[Man0warr]

lol, what about all the other games i pointed out?

My post was mostly written before you even posted, wasn't responding to you. But I'll edit it in if you want.

TLDR: Especially in PVP games, people don't pick sides based on looks, which this whole argument is about. People choose sides based on current population dominance and if one side has a gameplay advantage.

In Aion, it was MUCH easier to level as Elyos, I know thats why my entire guild picked them to start with.

In WoW, Alliance initially also had way more gameplay advantages over Horde. Better/more quests, dwarf racials, etc.

If people don't give a shit how their character looks, how do you explain people picking a specific race when they just start playing a game for the first time, when they don't really know what the racial abilities do?

I didn't say people don't care, I said it's not a reason the majority of people decide to play or to stop playing a game. You are bringing up an entirely different argument.

[Elrina]

What game has Bioware shat out hastily outside of Dragon Age 2? Their track record is just as stellar as Blizzard.

It's just a dumb complaint. Races have never made or broken an MMO, being able to play as Jabba the Hutt isn't going to keep people playing if the gameplay sucks - majority of people don't give a shit how their character looks and most of the time you are just staring at the back of their head. Outside of the gameplay elements of races (racial abilities), which one I choose has no bearing on the game for me. Same for graphics (unless they are really bad).

What mostly matters is gameplay mechanics (combat, UI/control scheme, classes, crafting etc), a varied endgame, and a patch cycle that keeps the content coming. If they don't deliver that the game will fail the same way every other MMO outside of WoW in the last half decade.

Character customization, races, graphics are all secondary and minor to MOST players. I realize some people love spending hours on character creation, but the majority just hit randomize and go on to the next step.

You're wrong.

Yes, what mostly matters are those things you mentioned (gameplay mechanics, solid endgame, regular patch cycle/support). Yet race has a bearing on a lot of people, it's an aesthetic and story influencing (or should be) decision that will affect your character during it's entire existence. Especially in this game, which is touting Story and VA so much, the race you choose should be a major decision, not one you barely pay attention to.

I actually have never met a single person that used the randomize feature in any character creation, even the ones who aren't especially picky spend a couple minutes cobbling together a personal preference. It may not make or break the game, but it will definitely influence it.

And above and beyond every other MMO mentioned, and available in recent years, part of making a Star Wars MMO should be the availability of alien races. It won't kill the game, but from the moment you load it up, it's the first sign of how badly they cut corners. From all appearances, not only did they not make any non-humanoid races available, but they also built the races they have on the same frame, which is somewhat ridiculous.


Oh, and Bioware =/= Blizzard. Not even close. Just sayin'.

[Arelian]

My post was mostly written before you even posted, wasn't responding to you. But I'll edit it in if you want.

TLDR: Especially in PVP games, people don't pick sides based on looks, which this whole argument is about. People choose sides based on current population dominance and if one side has a gameplay advantage.

In Aion, it was MUCH easier to level as Elyos, I know thats why my entire guild picked them to start with.

In WoW, Alliance initially also had way more gameplay advantages over Horde. Better/more quests, dwarf racials, etc.

All I'm seeing in your posts is that you're an elitist jackass that's min-maxing every game you play. I think you forget that you're in the minority here, bub.

[Man0warr]

And above and beyond every other MMO mentioned, and available in recent years, part of making a Star Wars MMO should be the availability of alien races. It won't kill the game, but from the moment you load it up, it's the first sign of how badly they cut corners. From all appearances, not only did they not make any non-humanoid races available, but they also built the races they have on the same frame, which is somewhat ridiculous.

I never said I disagree with this by the way. It would be awesome to play as some of the more wierd Star Wars races, and I wish they wouldn't have cut corners there. But I can see why they would do it and it's an easy cut to make in the grand scheme of things when you are trying to get an MMO out that you've been working on for years already.

My argument is that it's not a make or break on the majority of people's decision to buy the game, or keep playing it. They already have half a million preorders and the races have been known for awhile, all those people aren't going to quit playing the game when they find out all the model frames are the same either. If they quit it will be for gameplay reasons or because BioWare has no idea how to run an MMO and fucks up royally on their patches (balance, content, etc).

All I'm seeing in your posts is that you're an elitist jackass that's min-maxing every game you play. I think you forget that you're in the minority here, bub.

I'm actually pretty casual, just stating the facts. PvPers will look for whatever advantage they can get, if one race is better than the other that's the one they will choose, how it looks be damned. The best pvp (and PvE/raid for that matter) races in early WoW were all Alliance (save undead).

Yet as soon as horde got a pretty race ( blood elf ) they got masses more players.

They got more players because in the same expansion the Horde (and the new race) got an OP class available to them (Paladin) and they had homogenized the racials for each faction. Can't ignore the other factors.

[Katlan]

you really gotta troll better, your not even fun to argue w/. Ask for types from Kiarax or Kaylia or somebody

[Man0warr]

I'm not trolling. It's not fun to argue with someone when you are wrong I guess. It's also hard to argue with you when you keep changing you're argument.

[Katlan]

more like its pointless arguing w/ you. And with that... I'm done