Mysteries of the Mighty Barbarians.

**Guitarman** · 2012-07-02 22:22

Bashiok about MF gear swapping:

We fully intend to! Our hope is to keep all the good stuff about it (extra MF) while cutting out all the bad stuff (losing storage, and the labor of swapping gear). I think there's at least a couple solutions we lay out that people will like. Check back tomorrow and let us know what you think.

**arus2001** · 2012-07-02 23:59

Should be an interesting tomorrow, then.

**Deadgye** · 2012-07-03 00:15

So apparently Warden is banning people using Wine on linux. GG blizzard.

edit: And as the story unfolds, it seems like it was just the same person posting in multiple places. Probably got banned for botting.

**Guitarman** · 2012-07-03 00:27

I'm blown away by how many people are pissy over people gear swapping. Some going so far to call it an exploit. Baffles me how people can be this dumb. But then again, maybe it's more normal to me coming from the gearswaps of ffxi.

**Lordender** · 2012-07-03 05:08

I think more people are annoyed about having to use a macro prog to 1 key switch everything. I can't wait to read what they're gonna do to make it "more fun".

**arus2001** · 2012-07-03 05:21

At this point, if they don't plan on abolishing the MF stat, I'd rather them just give us secondary equipment slots that can never be used in actual combat. Instead, stats like MF, GF, Pick Up, Globe+, Movement, and EXP+ would be drawn from gear in these slots. And if you have nothing in these slots, then it defaults to your primary. End result, people will still want MF gear, no need for swaps (or "illegal" programs), and thus more time spent actually playing. Whatever the fuck else they're planning will probably just resemble a nerf in some fashion. "Behold, Neo-NV with another 5 stacks that build if you don't swap anything ever!"

**Deadgye** · 2012-07-03 05:29

Getting rid of MF would just make gear even more boring. Swapping in MF is perfectly acceptable. The problems are 1. people using automated programs to bypass the biggest tradeoff of swapping and 2. Nerfs to the game that make swapping more beneficial.

Obviously there shouldn't be a number two, but the way Blizzard has handled the game has caused just that. And I expect similar changes from them that further exemplify their stupidity.

**geno** · 2012-07-03 06:44

I disagree about swapping in MF being good for this game. MF should have a tradeoff, like every other stat in the game. You should be giving something up for it. Having a good MF set should be an accomplishment, not a matter of a couple hundred thousand gold worth of shitty blues.

I'd most like it if they count your mf for any mob death as the lowest point it was at during the fight, at least when it comes to gear. Benefits players who gave up damage for some MF by giving them more drops. But also fair to players who didn't because they will kill faster and theoretically get more drops that way.

**Guitarman** · 2012-07-03 06:50

There is a tradeoff in the fact that you have to switch it out while a rare/champ is beating the shit out of you (assuming youre not using a script). plus my dps tanks to nothing so i can still very much die. Honestly I would think it would add a bit of longevity to the game that sorely needs it, having to hunt for a second gear set.

**Tajin** · 2012-07-03 07:00

Hah, fuck that shit, i rather farm act1 forever in my shit gear before carrying a second set, all my rolls are shit anyway.
That said, I give zero fucks on how many gear sets or how people switches gears

**Plow** · 2012-07-03 07:01

I think the issue is specifically that they don't want you to get a second gear set, they want you to keep having to farm upgrades until every single slot is perfect dps/survival gear and also has magic find.

**Plow** · 2012-07-03 07:02

i.e. forever (or until you hit your credit limit)

**Tajin** · 2012-07-03 07:12

Well there's that of course

I've been leveling DH with GF gear (no swaps), and I'm very happy with the results its noticeable the amount of extra gold dropping; however nothing beats in speed and profit a well rolled drop, but like I said all my rolls are shit and going with the sure thing avoids the apply-desk-to-head effect.

**Plow** · 2012-07-03 07:39

Originally Posted by Tajin

Well there's that of course

I've been leveling DH with GF gear (no swaps), and I'm very happy with the results its noticeable the amount of extra gold dropping; however nothing beats in speed and profit a well rolled drop, but like I said all my rolls are shit and going with the sure thing avoids the apply-desk-to-head effect.

I leveled my dh with ferrets and a fair bit of gold find as well (actually didn't even drop ferrets til around ZK inferno), was pretty nice. I never felt like I'd be willing to give up my helm ruby on any of my toons, though, and the last couple I've leveled I just plain haven't chanced into as much gf.

I have a pretty nice gold find set I built during the like week between the repair upping and the nerf to hell core runs, but yeah I pretty much feel like it's mostly worthless now. I just try to kill stuff where it's easy to get a gear swap in for mf, or just run around in my helm with terrible stats but almost 50% magic find. I have a couple pieces of main gear that has mf on it, but not much.

I just can't imagine playing this game to the point where I'm, say, using a neck on my monk with great rolls on all of dex, int, vit, all res, fire res, ias, crit%, crit dmg, and loh (is that even possible? lol... I think it is in theory at least), and trying to find an upgrade that has all that + magic find.

**Slott** · 2012-07-03 11:28

your 9 property neck could maybe be 7 properties at the least -.- but yeah I dislike all of the Mf solutions they proposed.

**kisada** · 2012-07-03 11:38

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6583...pping-7_3_2012

i think they're all pretty much awful. and their logic is so fucking absurd. blizzard doesn't have a problem with it, players do it out of necessity so their solution is to punish the player instead of HELPING them? wtf?

like seriously who the fuck comes up with their ideas? i want to know how their thinktank is so fucking braindead.

**Rehn** · 2012-07-03 11:47

All are terrible honestly, and they are just dodging the gear swap button most swappers are asking for. I really hope that they don't pick the ultimate evil and kill gear swap completely. I still need to use regeneration gear just to fight reflect damage mobs.

**Deadgye** · 2012-07-03 11:53

Originally Posted by geno

I disagree about swapping in MF being good for this game. MF should have a tradeoff, like every other stat in the game. You should be giving something up for it. Having a good MF set should be an accomplishment, not a matter of a couple hundred thousand gold worth of shitty blues.

When the game was released there was a tradeoff present for having a set of MF gear. But removing the effect MF has on chests/the environment drastically reduced this tradeoff. And then people cheating with scripts remove the tradeoff pretty much entirely. The solution to this problem is to combat the script users directly and to undo the silly nerfs they've implemented.

But that would be smart.

**Arximiro** · 2012-07-03 11:59

I'm fine with a cap, however I already just use gear with MF on it full time so maybe I am biased.

**Raldo** · 2012-07-03 12:22

Originally Posted by Arximiro

I'm fine with a cap, however I already just use gear with MF on it full time so maybe I am biased.

Huh? I already use gear with MF on it and that's exactly why I'm against a cap (especially if they lowball the cap). Any of those other solutions wouldn't affect me, but a cap certainly could.

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