Mysteries of the Mighty Barbarians.

[GRT]

farm gold, buy items on that AH, sell items on RMT AH.

How blizzard hasn't seen this or the potential for small businesses to crop up here is beyond me.

That's an unnecessary step. According to Blizzard, you can sell gold directly on the RMT AH.

[Tajin]

Because they get a cut of everything that goes out the system (via rmt auctions), what is going to happen is chinamen hoarding the AH (both of them) and selling the items themselves "cheaper".

[GRT]

Because they get a cut of everything that goes out the system (via rmt auctions), what is going to happen is chinamen hoarding the AH (both of them) and selling the items themselves "cheaper".

You really should stop insulting them if you plan to play D3. In that game, you will be thanking them for keeping the prices down, just as you are thanking theme for keeping the prices down in real life.

[fantasticdan]

You guys should realize that saying "you can simply ignore the RMT AH and not use it" doesn't make sense, because you can trade gold for real money, that makes the two AHs equivalent in all practical purposes. And since there will be a large player base, that makes the exchange market extremely liquid, and prices in gold-based AH will depend largely on gold's exchange rate with real money.

So essentially you are spending real money to buy in both AHs, just as you are making real money to sell in both. It will also be costing you real money to buy potions, repair your items, and gamble. Yeah...

As someone who's sold plenty of excess gil back in the day, that's really how I've always thought of things in MMOs and the like. I didn't see people spending a worthless virtual currency on relics, I saw them spending thousands of dollars.

[Dantrag]

/shrug will play anyways. Doubt items will cost more than a buck or two after a few months. Super items will probably be 20 bucks or so or less depending on how rare they actually are.

[GRT]

As someone who's sold plenty of excess gil back in the day, that's really how I've always thought of things in MMOs and the like. I didn't see people spending a worthless virtual currency on relics, I saw them spending thousands of dollars.

Yep, so how can anyone say you can just simply not use the RMT AH when the practice of RMT is not only officially sanctioned by the game maker, but also fully supported to become a seamless transaction?

[Tajin]

You really should stop insulting them if you plan to play D3. In that game, you will be thanking them for keeping the prices down, just as you are thanking theme for keeping the prices down in real life.

I don't buy shit from the AH and I'll not be the one to derail the thread with real world economy.

[Uzor]

Like I said, with a highly liquid exchange market, you are pretty much making real money just buy killing monsters that drop gold. You will have more gold to spend on the AH if you kill more monsters just as if you make more real money with your day job, and you will have less to spend if you repair stuff.

The only way you are not subject to the exchange market is if you never use either AH, which is rather impractical.

So what bothers you is that you spend potential money on in-game items?

Listen; if you haven't bought the gold, the gold you bought still cost you nothing to buy. As such, you're not spending RL money on items, you're selling imaginary money for gold. Yes, you can choose to sell it instead to make money, but that's something you actively choose not to do. Fact of the matter is, whether or not the potential is there doesn't change the end-result; you spent no money on it.

[Pikarya]

Sure is Bobby Kotick riding this idea down the ladder.

[GRT]

So what bothers you is that you spend potential money on in-game items?

Listen; if you haven't bought the gold, the gold you bought still cost you nothing to buy. As such, you're not spending RL money on items, you're selling imaginary money for gold. Yes, you can choose to sell it instead to make money, but that's something you actively choose not to do. Fact of the matter is, whether or not the potential is there doesn't change the end-result; you spent no money on it.

Listen; that would be groovy if gold is the dominating currency in the exchange market instead of real world money. Please don't tell me you are so naive to think that.

[miokomioko]

This is a nightmare of an idea. I know it won't fail because it's a fucking Diablo title... but, god damn, I wish it would because of this and how cocky Blizzard tends to get about justifying everything they do.

[Insanecyclone]

[Tajin]

This is a nightmare of an idea. I know it won't fail because it's a fucking Diablo title... but, god damn, I wish it would because of this and how cocky Blizzard tends to get about justifying everything they do.

The way people talks about it, you'd think Blizzard is the first company to sell pixels

[GRT]

Does that surprise you? Blizzard has been one of the most highly reputable gaming company in the industry. The reaction is on par with how disappointed people are that they be the company to spit in the face of a major moral principle online gamers have stood by all these years.

It's like the Dalai Lama suddenly deciding to preach in support of the death panelty. Extreme example, but there you have it.


Oh, and D3 isn't selling pixels. It's enabling RMT between players, which has always been deemed as an act of cheating by both Blizzard and most of the online gaming community. In a lot of ways it's much worse than them directly selling pixels, which they have been doing already in WoW.

[Correction]

a major moral principle online gamers have stood by all these years.

lolwhat? Where were you when they announced the battle.net marketplace for starcraft 2 maps? Have you even kept up with the monetization of in-game items in WoW? What is so magically worse about the D3 auction house that OH NOW I'M MAD is the prevailing sentiment?

It's weird that people talk about morality and ethics like they need to exist in a competitive gamer's world.

[Uzor]

Listen; that would be groovy if gold is the dominating currency in the exchange market instead of real world money. Please don't tell me you are so naive to think that.

You do realize you don't have to buy a single thing in the game, right? You could go by the normal way of finding it yourself. Alternatively, you could trade it for items of equal worth.

Exactly what are you upset about? That others might have an easier time acquiring gear for their characters because they choose to use real-life money instead of time?

[GRT]

lolwhat? Where were you when they announced the battle.net marketplace for starcraft 2 maps? Have you even kept up with the monetization of in-game items in WoW? What is so magically worse about the D3 auction house that OH NOW I'M MAD is the prevailing sentiment?

It's weird that people talk about morality and ethics like they need to exist in a competitive gamer's world.

I guess I just see differences in farming gold (sweat shop work) and creating maps (a form of IP)

You think it's weird that morality and ethics should exist in a virtual world? Wait... really? You think the norm of a virtual world is that it should be without morality and ethics?

Ok... then...

[Katlan]

this thread has become garbage

[Correction]

I think it's weird that how people choose to spend their money in a video game is a moral decision. Especially when it has yet to be seen that it negatively impacts those who choose differently in that same situation.

[Tajin]

Oh, and D3 isn't selling pixels. It's enabling RMT between players, which has always been deemed as an act of cheating by both Blizzard and most of the online gaming community. In a lot of ways it's much worse than them directly selling pixels, which they have been doing already in WoW.

Blizzard has also got a lot of fire (probably well deserved) about being too lenient with gold selling in world of warcraft, well now they are going to guarantee the sales to avoid scams, and the same people still flames them for doing something :>

And really thought it may seem I'm defending blizzard I'm really not, its just every argument in this thread besides hacking has been weak.