Not quite understanding Sea Obi added effect

[Vorinia]

Hi all, got Sea access recently, and have been farming for the Obi' which I was told I'd do well to have for my BLM.
My question is this: Do they only affect the potency/dmg of Elemental Magic, or would they affect debuffs, like Slow and Para etc? And if so, how?

:: I did search for Obi related topics but only found the Elemental Siphon one, and one about re-questing them ::

[Ashira]

They essentially make the added weather/day bonus 100%.

Weather/day bonus adds magic accuracy also (i'm quite sure), so yes, the obis affect it.

[DaGod]

Hmmm. Can you give me a proof ashira? a link to a topic with research on it or something?

Just that i never fought any reliable info on it. And i never noticed such a bonus in my own experience.

[Ashira]

How about the fact that BLMs get more resists on days opposing the elements they're casting? It's more anecdotal, but I know that for years we've said a lot of 'shit it's earthsday' or 'shit it's firesday'.. and Kaeko timed out on one of his Bhaflau solo attempts because he ended up at the boss on Firesday and got too many resisted nukes.

[Not Kuno]

People have noticed longer lasting helix's with obis, something that magic acc does.

[_chuchu]

Hmmm. Can you give me a proof ashira? a link to a topic with research on it or something?

Just that i never fought any reliable info on it. And i never noticed such a bonus in my own experience.

It's on otherwiki, and you can look at calculating magic dmg. There is a measurable and noticeable boost in the dmg of the spell you cast if it is favorable to the weather/day and obi's allow for it to proc. If you're a BLM, I'm sure you can notice it, especially if you use ice spells with obi+sorcerer's tonban on ice day. You can easily boost your dmg about 10% or more with both. I've gone from almost 2k>2.2k+ easily

[Vorinia]

It's on otherwiki, and you can look at calculating magic dmg. There is a measurable and noticeable boost in the dmg of the spell you cast if it is favorable to the weather/day and obi's allow for it to proc. If you're a BLM, I'm sure you can notice it, especially if you use ice spells with obi+sorcerer's tonban on ice day. You can easily boost your dmg about 10% or more with both. I've gone from almost 2k>2.2k+ easily

I believe he was referring to Ashira's answer to my "does it affect debuffs" question. Im pretty sure we all know about the DMG increase, I was curious as to whether it affected debuff potency.

To Ashira and others: Thank you for the swift reply. I only just got my Hyorin Obi, so I'm gonna go play around with Paralyze II and see if there's any noticeable difference.
Or I may just go and farm more for my Rairin Obi. Damned Luminian Tissue.

[DaGod]

Yeah, i was only asking about the macc part. I for sure know about the damage bonus

In fact i am worry about a placebo effect : people thinking they will get more resist to lightning during earth day will be more prompt to see their resists this day and, thus, will be even more convince of it. One of those logical and mathematical illusion we are all so quick to fall in.

Especially for your proof ashira : it's a typical excempt of what i said. On a run like this you can't see the difference in terms of statistics. He prolly just get unlucky, but it is easy to input it to day. (not saying it isn't cause of it, just that this doesn't prove anything ^^ don't wanna show myself as stubborn, just trying to get somethuing more convincing ^^).

The part about helix seem interesting but... as before, i would be really interested in some good old numbers

P.S : awesome sig ashira, stole it to you

[Rasantath]

light obi is nice for Bard and Requiem, but i don't have any numeric values to it.

HMMM.
what are chances these obi's would work for JA's?
like the Korin Obi (light) for Charm...
otherwiki has the description of what "Gain Full Effect of Day/Weather Bonuses" listed as being to do with magic, but the actual description on the item itself doesn't actually say magic anywhere... it simply says "Gain Full Effect of Lightsday/Light Weather Bonuses"
does the day have any effect on Light Arts/Dark Arts?
i cant think of any other JA's that might work better on a specific day...

[Kerberoz]

They work on Quick Draw

[Rasantath]

They work on Quick Draw

that makes sense because quick draw is magic
(and i did not know that for certain, good to know.)

[Koyangi]

(in reference to nukes)also something to note for any obi under these circumstances: double weather and same day, the cap for the effect the obis provide and/or af2 legs is +30%, each instance of weather/day is +10%, if it's double ice on iceday, af2 legs wont do you any good, but if its single weather same day or less use both.

[Thorny]

that makes sense because quick draw is magic
(and i did not know that for certain, good to know.)

Quick draw works on jailer of temperance, pretty sure it's not magic.

[Rasantath]

Quick draw works on jailer of temperance, pretty sure it's not magic.

quick draw is affected by magic attack bonus (ie moldavite earring)
that kind of lends to the conclusion that it is a magical attack
but light obi or scouters rope (agi+4) for light shot hmm....

[Dammerung]

(in reference to nukes)also something to note for any obi under these circumstances: double weather and same day, the cap for the effect the obis provide and/or af2 legs is +30%, each instance of weather/day is +10%, if it's double ice on iceday, af2 legs wont do you any good, but if its single weather same day or less use both.

I thought it was 35%. Double weather is 25% btw

[Falisa]

All I know is I liked my dorin obi for Cerberus/Tiamat on BRD. Dorin obi also helped my earth shots alot on Tiamat too.

[Kerberoz]

I thought it was 35%. Double weather is 25% btw

Yeah, cap is 35%, single weather 10%, day 10%, double weather 25%, AF2 legs 5%. If you have day and double weather, AF2 legs won't do anything.

And yes, Quick Draw is magic damage, but it's a JA. I really doubt the day/weather bonus affects physical JAs.

It does affect magic WS too. Leaden Salute with Anrin Obi, etc.

[pchan]

Hi all, got Sea access recently, and have been farming for the Obi' which I was told I'd do well to have for my BLM.
My question is this: Do they only affect the potency/dmg of Elemental Magic, or would they affect debuffs, like Slow and Para etc? And if so, how?

:: I did search for Obi related topics but only found the Elemental Siphon one, and one about re-questing them ::

I tried sleeping with and without obi and got no difference. Then again it was not a lengthy sample size. However wether do affect accuracy (almost sure SE mentionned it when describing SCH job last year, but can't find it).

[Enygma55]

A way that I can see obi's working with debuff is in dynamis. Maybe other blms just suck but when I cast sleepga II on mobs they all wake at the same time after the max duration.

You can tell some blms get resist on duration of their sleeps by when mobs wake up at different times.

For helix dmg wearing obi adds another tick or 2 to the duration of the total helix. With the average being 6-7 ticks without obi, With Obi the average is around 8-9. This relates to Macc bonus. If you dont know how or why that is, go read up on the SCH thread in the WOTG section.