Requiste to pop Mad Bomber?

[ringthree]

In the middle of a bhaf, MB up, didnt kill any Bifrons at all. Believe in the 50/50. Also, Bifron self-destructed, didnt despawn as expected.

Still need to see if it can be popped midrun via Bifrons.

I don't think anyone suggested that MB would ever despawn. I only suggested a potential spawn condition. Lets not confuse the issue.

[ringthree]

mmmm no offense but honestly why does everyone care so much about mad bomber requirements. I'm pretty sure no group has never had mad bomber just not pop for them period... and the consensus for most groups seems to be ~50% pop without doing anything out of the ordinary so what's wrong with that? Can't we just accept it for what it is and be happy it isn't a 5% pop or something :X

Ummm... no.

[Foustian]

mmmm no offense but honestly why does everyone care so much about mad bomber requirements. I'm pretty sure no group has never had mad bomber just not pop for them period... and the consensus for most groups seems to be ~50% pop without doing anything out of the ordinary so what's wrong with that? Can't we just accept it for what it is and be happy it isn't a 5% pop or something :X

So if you wanted Morrigan's hands you'd be happy with a 50% chance to even get the rampart, on top of the already low chance of seeing Gate Widow, and then the chance of it dropping the gloves?

[AzazaelFenrir]

Since the Bard in my group is threatening to kill us all if we don't get her some new pants (I don't know why she runs around nekkid half the time anyway...) I find this possibility very encouraging. At the same time I don't know that I can handle more Bhaf runs where I get to stare at a rampart not popping NM's, ohwait that is all our runs ><

As for why people have never seen it before, maybe because no one ever rechecks after the initial check? ring did you have anyone dc during the run, or anything else aside from the norm?

[ringthree]

Since the Bard in my group is threatening to kill us all if we don't get her some new pants (I don't know why she runs around nekkid half the time anyway...) I find this possibility very encouraging. At the same time I don't know that I can handle more Bhaf runs where I get to stare at a rampart not popping NM's, ohwait that is all our runs ><

As for why people have never seen it before, maybe because no one ever rechecks after the initial check? ring did you have anyone dc during the run, or anything else aside from the norm?

Nope, no DC's or anything abnormal. The only reason we noticed is because our checker was sent late to check on MB and we had already killed the Wamouracampa in the branching room, so we opened the door and killed the next bomb and it popped.

[Balb]

I don't think anyone suggested that MB would ever despawn. I only suggested a potential spawn condition. Lets not confuse the issue.

I had suggested it as an interesting possibilty "although highly in doubt" as I said in a previous post, so no, it's not confusing the issue, it's covering all the grounds.

The main and only test left to do is see if Mad Bomber can be popped by killing random Bifrons without allowing it to Self-Destruct. If it doesn't pop it, then this theory is full of shit and someone was lying. End of story.

[Aurara]

mmmm no offense but honestly why does everyone care so much about mad bomber requirements. I'm pretty sure no group has never had mad bomber just not pop for them period... and the consensus for most groups seems to be ~50% pop without doing anything out of the ordinary so what's wrong with that? Can't we just accept it for what it is and be happy it isn't a 5% pop or something :X

no.

[Spekkio]

mmmm no offense but honestly why does everyone care so much about mad bomber requirements. I'm pretty sure no group has never had mad bomber just not pop for them period... and the consensus for most groups seems to be ~50% pop without doing anything out of the ordinary so what's wrong with that? Can't we just accept it for what it is and be happy it isn't a 5% pop or something :X

for the most longshot comparison of the day: edison wasn't satisfied to have light half the day, so he invented the light bulb. we're just continuing the tradition.

[tymora]

The lightbulb analogy makes me smile.

[Theenabler]

mmmm no offense but honestly why does everyone care so much about mad bomber requirements. I'm pretty sure no group has never had mad bomber just not pop for them period... and the consensus for most groups seems to be ~50% pop without doing anything out of the ordinary so what's wrong with that? Can't we just accept it for what it is and be happy it isn't a 5% pop or something :X

You're retarted. According to you, we're better off sitting here being content with the fact that it's 50%, rather then putting SO MUCH EFFORT into running people to mad bomber rooms early(since most groups have some people with no use up to moth room anyway) to sit there and possibly discover that it's 100% on every run. Yeah, your idea sounds much better.

[ringthree]

I had suggested it as an interesting possibilty "although highly in doubt" as I said in a previous post, so no, it's not confusing the issue, it's covering all the grounds.

The main and only test left to do is see if Mad Bomber can be popped by killing random Bifrons without allowing it to Self-Destruct. If it doesn't pop it, then this theory is full of shit and someone was lying. End of story.

You were pretty unclear in your original statement, and in a speculation/testing thread it is a good idea to be as clear as possible.

Also, we don't know if Self-Destruct has anything to do with anything right now, hell, we only have my one reported occurrence of this ever happening. My 2 hypothesis would be that after the initial chance of it spawning when you zone in, it can either spawn when you kill a certain bomb or it can spawn after you kill a certain bomb without it Self-Destructing. These are just hypothesis that need to be tested, and it would be a good idea to keep that frame of reference instead of making statements about what the only tests that need to be done are or are not.

As for the theory being "full of shit and someone [is] lying," I am the one that posted this information and I am even skeptical. The reason I posted it is because I trust the person checking implicitly, the description of when it popped and how it popped makes sense in the context of the zone, and because even if it is not true it is something that can be eliminated as a possibility. If it does not pan out, it does not mean that someone is lying or full of shit. It could be attributed to absolutely anything, a slow load, unnoticed lag, a missed first glance, a glitch, etc.

The point is that it is very beneficial to find out if this information is true or not, and staying mature about the testing process is the best way to approach the situation.

[Arximiro]

You were pretty unclear in your original statement, and in a speculation/testing thread it is a good idea to be as clear as possible.

Also, we don't know if Self-Destruct has anything to do with anything right now, hell, we only have my one reported occurrence of this ever happening. My 2 hypothesis would be that after the initial chance of it spawning when you zone in, it can either spawn when you kill a certain bomb or it can spawn after you kill a certain bomb without it Self-Destructing. These are just hypothesis that need to be tested, and it would be a good idea to keep that frame of reference instead of making statements about what the only tests that need to be done are or are not.

As for the theory being "full of shit and someone [is] lying," I am the one that posted this information and I am even skeptical. The reason I posted it is because I trust the person checking implicitly, the description of when it popped and how it popped makes sense in the context of the zone, and because even if it is not true it is something that can be eliminated as a possibility. If it does not pan out, it does not mean that someone is lying or full of shit. It could be attributed to absolutely anything, a slow load, unnoticed lag, a missed first glance, a glitch, etc.

The point is that it is very beneficial to find out if this information is true or not, and staying mature about the testing process is the best way to approach the situation.

Well put

[Arthars]

test can only begin when bomber is not up

bomber up yesterday immediately so cant test sorry :\

trying again tonight prolly

[Acturus]

Entered last night, no MB on entrance.

Popped chest, went West, and asked our RNG to check every time we killed a bifrons as well as every time we opened a door with a text prompt.

Two bifrons self-destructed. The second one in, and one of the two in the rectangular room with the trolls and bugs.

MB never popped. It was earthday on a new moon I think, for those that consider such things important.

Cells were used almost immediately, so we didn't test no-cell kills.

We did not kill all of the butterflies, only one. We only killed the two Trolls that were in the smaller rooms, and we killed a handful of bugs, but I don't remember the exact number.

[ringthree]

Entered last night, no MB on entrance.

Popped chest, went West, and asked our RNG to check every time we killed a bifrons as well as every time we opened a door with a text prompt.

Two bifrons self-destructed. The second one in, and one of the two in the rectangular room with the trolls and bugs.

MB never popped. It was earthday on a new moon I think, for those that consider such things important.

Cells were used almost immediately, so we didn't test no-cell kills.

We did not kill all of the butterflies, only one. We only killed the two Trolls that were in the smaller rooms, and we killed a handful of bugs, but I don't remember the exact number.

Great, this is good information. This eliminates kill all Bifrons irrelevant of self-destruct from the list of possibilities. Though it may raise another question of a player needing to be in or around a potential MB spawn room, but that tends to stretch the possibility of speculation.

[Freysi]

So that still leaves the possibility of:

- A certain bomb must self-destruct
- A certain bomb must not self-destruct

The one time Mad Bomber has been up for us (yeah, 1/20+) we most definitely used some cells before killing a bomb, so that would rule out a no-cell kill of a PH bomb.

[Kaiyoko]

Is it possible the reason we have called it 50% either side for this long because of the fact that heading to MB you run into 4 out of the 8 bombs?

If I recall the 1st large room has 1 bomb, the hall way to the next big room, the next big room, and one of the adjacent west or east to MB to make 4. I've never really checked personally after we killed those 4 for MB. Have not been to Bhaf in a long time since most of my group has all the Bhaf drops we want for the time being.

[Spekkio]

Is it possible the reason we have called it 50% either side for this long because of the fact that heading to MB you run into 4 out of the 8 bombs?

If I recall the 1st large room has 1 bomb, the hall way to the next big room, the next big room, and one of the adjacent west or east to MB to make 4. I've never really checked personally after we killed those 4 for MB. Have not been to Bhaf in a long time since most of my group has all the Bhaf drops we want for the time being.

bomber can be found thru widescan w/o even leaving the first room once the door is opened ruling out the possibility of bomber popping in response to our kills before we reached it. did bhaf last night, lost at least 1 bomb to sd and no bomber pop.

[Hanyoko]

Is it possible the reason we have called it 50% either side for this long because of the fact that heading to MB you run into 4 out of the 8 bombs?

If I recall the 1st large room has 1 bomb, the hall way to the next big room, the next big room, and one of the adjacent west or east to MB to make 4. I've never really checked personally after we killed those 4 for MB. Have not been to Bhaf in a long time since most of my group has all the Bhaf drops we want for the time being.

Of 7 bombs

1 in first room
1 in hallway
2 in the next room/joining
1 in hallway north
2 in the large room before middle

Unless i'm completly forgetting something

[Theenabler]

So that still leaves the possibility of:

- A certain bomb must self-destruct
- A certain bomb must not self-destruct

The one time Mad Bomber has been up for us (yeah, 1/20+) we most definitely used some cells before killing a bomb, so that would rule out a no-cell kill of a PH bomb.

According to Ringthree, MB popped as soon as one of the bombs died(not through SD) so that would rule out your second option.