Requiste to pop Mad Bomber?

[Uzor]

You're retarted. According to you, we're better off sitting here being content with the fact that it's 50%, rather then putting SO MUCH EFFORT into running people to mad bomber rooms early(since most groups have some people with no use up to moth room anyway) to sit there and possibly discover that it's 100% on every run. Yeah, your idea sounds much better.

Its really not as bad as you make it sound though, tbh.

From the statistics I've kept, there's about a 25% chance on average that a rampart will spawn at least one NM, average of 4 NM's per rampart that do spawn at least one. Out of those, the drop rate (at least for us) is roughly 50%. That puts the average chance to get a drop at roughly 31% per run from first floor rampart. However, as the bomber pop rate is roughly 50%, that halves it and puts it at roughly 15% chance per run, which is slightly higher then the other zones.

Granted, it wasn't long ago I started taking statistics for rampart pop/no pop rate, so sample size is somewhat small (21 that did pop, 64 that didn't pop).

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind at all finding an actual pop requirement for the bomber, but I won't hold my breathes up saying it would be retarded otherwise. The drop rate from rampart NM's is obscenely high to make up for the randomness of it all, so it evens out. Bhaflau is, even with Mad Bomber's 50/50 chance, still the zone you get the most 35's from. I wouldn't put it past SE if this is truly how it was intended to be.

[Theenabler]

I'm not QQing at all because of drop rates or pop rates or anything. The guy had questioned why we were all so gung-ho on finding a trick, and felt there was no need to and that he was satisfied with the pop conditions now and there was no need to test this theory. I stated he was retarted because he was suggesting we should rather sit with the pop rates now, instead of taking nearly no time out to see if it could possibly be 100%.

[Aragon of Odin]

Did a run today, no MB when we entered, killed all bombs none self-destructed and no MB afterwards.

[Miraun]

Maybe it's not necessarilly the self-destruct... but some other alternatives could be:

Magic cast on the bombs
Bombs having berserk up when they die (kinda like the 'spikes' for the flans)


Need moar data!

[Fridell]

Enter, one person opens first door, same person opens second door : Mad Bomber.

[Acturus]

Enter, one person opens first door, same person opens second door : Mad Bomber.

Do it again and I'll give you a dollar.

[Julian]

The stupid in this thread makes my head hurt.

[ringthree]

Did a run today, no MB when we entered, killed all bombs none self-destructed and no MB afterwards.

This is another bit of good data to disprove the theory. The only problem is that if there is a secondary condition, like each kill has a chance to pop MB or someone has to be near the room when the bombs die to get it to pop. The chances of these are much lower though. It is still worth investigation, but this observation is a blow against the theory.

[Fridell]

Do it again and I'll give you a dollar.

This works wonders since a friend do it with success every time (Im not joking), so I've tried it and got Mad Bomber x 4 the last 4 BR runs. Weird enough. Great and all teh last second MB gave us some wanted Macha's.

[Acturus]

This works wonders since a friend do it with success every time (Im not joking), so I've tried it and got Mad Bomber x 4 the last 4 BR runs. Weird enough. Great and all teh last second MB gave us some wanted Macha's.

Okay then, this is something that other groups can check.

*edit* except for the fact that it is completely independent of a mob-kill relationship variable.

dammit...

[ringthree]

This works wonders since a friend do it with success every time (Im not joking), so I've tried it and got Mad Bomber x 4 the last 4 BR runs. Weird enough. Great and all teh last second MB gave us some wanted Macha's.

We have done this about 20 times with about a 50% success rate. You are just experiencing a false positive.

[Fridell]

I'll try this on monday and every other BR run to see how well the success rate holds up, IF it holds up.

Edit: Just asked my friend, his last 10 BR he got Bomber up each time opening both doors within 30 sec letting someone else touch the box.

[Uzor]

For the last time, it has NOTHING to do with the start box. The start box is a new addition to Salvage. They wouldn't base Mad Bomber's pop condition on something that wasn't originally even IN Salvage. That's like saying 35 drop rate on Archaic Chariot is based on the number of Alexandrites you got from the previous floors.

Really, any combination of start chest you can POSSIBLY think of have nothing to do with his pop rate. Do yourself a favor if you really want to figure it out and just ignore the start chest. It will bring down the number of options you can test considerably and won't make yourself confused. If you REALLY want to try and figure something out, focus your efforts on something else that is MUCH more likely to have something to do with him.

[fndragon]

For the last time, it has NOTHING to do with the start box. The start box is a new addition to Salvage. They wouldn't base Mad Bomber's pop condition on something that wasn't originally even IN Salvage. That's like saying 35 drop rate on Archaic Chariot is based on the number of Alexandrites you got from the previous floors.

Really, any combination of start chest you can POSSIBLY think of have nothing to do with his pop rate. Do yourself a favor if you really want to figure it out and just ignore the start chest. It will bring down the number of options you can test considerably and won't make yourself confused. If you REALLY want to try and figure something out, focus your efforts on something else that is MUCH more likely to have something to do with him.

I think they were talking about the door before and after the room with the start box. Not the box itself.

[Uzor]

You may be right, I might have misinterpreted Fridell's post.

[Dayner]

i think you guys are thinking too hard ... its 50% change to pop when you open the door
that sooo SE style

[Bor]

i think you guys are thinking too hard ... its 50% change to pop when you open the door that sooo SE style

How I agree with this, it seems a bit strange for the other three ramparts to have requirements that are in the players control and Mad Bomber to be totally random. My group has had a lot of luck with MB being up but I always did the Green Light going west trick so I never took notice to anything else. I will take more notice though >.<

[Arximiro]

Enter, one person opens first door, same person opens second door : Mad Bomber.

I open the first and 2nd doors every run and we are 1/5 on MB

[Almalexia]

i think you guys are thinking too hard ... its 50% change to pop when you open the door
that sooo SE style

How I agree with this, it seems a bit strange for the other three ramparts to have requirements that are in the players control and Mad Bomber to be totally random.

Seems a bit strange for the other three parts of Duties, Tasks and Deeds to have requirements that are in the players' control and Alexandrites to be totally random.

BUSINESS AS USUAL.

[Fridell]

You may be right, I might have misinterpreted Fridell's post.

Yea didnt talk about the box itself as something that counts towards this.

And doors or not, Self.Destruct Bifron and casting magic on em etc etc is all more weird then the doors being discussed imo.