Huntard Discussion!

[Ramor]

Seems to be enough hunters in the WotLK Beta thread, figured we might as well clean it up a bit and make better use of our new forum.

First off, what are people's thoughts on PvP? Given there hasn't been a real great serverside performance for PvP since 3.0.2 hit, but I still got to try out the specs, so far I'm a really big fan of Marks and SV, I didn't do BM much so I can't really say much about it. But Marks is probably going to stand out a bit at 80 when players can move more into the SV or BM tiers (I'm thinking Marks/SV personally), chimera shot is doing real nice damage for my mediocrely equipped hunt, about 3k crits on s2/s3 plate among other things.

Also, how do people feel about the AoV change? Is it worth getting mail still, seeing as int may not have such a role? Or would going all leather for the slight advantages of easier hit cap and slightly more attack make swapping into AoV to get your mana pool back up faster than all mail gear?
I'm a little divided on how to go for PvE with this, I can see wanting a bigger mana pool so you don't have to be constantly swapping to AoV to refill it, not to mention the SV and BM talents that give you mana back based on your base mana. In PvP I see the int being still quite helpful, wouldn't really give it up (along with the armor perks obviously).

Other things too obviously, quite a few changes got made to how hunters operate in 3.0.2, and I'm sure lots more things change with the added killshot and freezing arrow and the like at later levels (from you beta people).

[Krandor]

INT is much more important then it was previously, both with the Careful Aim change and because almost all mana regen abilities (including AoV) are dependent on your maximum mana pool.

Also, Chimera Shot is nature damage, so it ignores armor.

[Ramor]

completely forgot about the Careful Aim change (and didn't notice it until I was just going over talents again last night), suppose INT really is still going to be a staple in hunter gear eh, still good I suppose.

How's the itemization at 80? Is there a lot more haste or any real noticeable changes or still the same type of trend that we see in the t5/t6/ZA epics right now?

[Noobta]

I'm BM now, I might respec to try out Chimera shot though. Some hunter crit me for 3.5k with it

[Krandor]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOTS of Haste (odd that it added a space in there)

Every single piece of Tier 7 has Haste on it. For reference sake, the 10 man version

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...ttlegear10.jpg

[Ramor]

ha damn, haste is fun, can't wait to get to 80 and try some of that stuff out.

edit: also just noticed the 4 set bonus...nice.

[Gulkeeva]

I like the 2 set bonus the most actually, 4 piece atm is... very much useless in 10/25man as long as ya got 1 pally doin JoW

even without one, its not too bad if someone like an spriest does replenishment. (going to need priests for 25man naxx military wing anyway)

There are better then T7 gear pieces in naxx anyway

[fantasticdan]

ha damn, haste is fun, can't wait to get to 80 and try some of that stuff out.

edit: also just noticed the 4 set bonus...nice.

Haste isn't that great for hunter since you are constrained by the GCD anyway, in that sense the tier gear (and wotlk dps mail in general) is badly itemized. However hunter raid dps is at the top of the food chain a long with rogues even like that, so it doesn't really matter.

[Gulkeeva]

Haste isn't that great for hunter since you are constrained by the GCD anyway, in that sense the tier gear (and wotlk dps mail in general) is badly itemized. However hunter raid dps is at the top of the food chain a long with rogues even like that, so it doesn't really matter.

Think of the auto shots! It is.. and will be later (unless blizz does adjustments to autoshots) the biggest part of hunter dps. Although the 20% haste from Dk icy talons buff will sort of hurt... having alot of haste now isn't a bad idea, considering auto shots do not clip.. and fire off constantly no matter what ability your mashing till your targets dead.

[Krandor]

Haste is "ok" for MM and Survival, but not so much for BM. But since they'll be removing the Ranged haste from Windfury totem (The DK ability as well afaik I know), we'll have to see. I changed my gear around a bit since the patch (since I've been speccing MM) and added around 6% haste, which works out nicely.

Steady shot will scale down to a 1 second GCD now (and only Steady shot, the instant cast shots will still retain a 1.5 second GCD), so Haste is still ok up to that point.

[Royal]

Loving my hunter right now. The cower bug is annoying because it resets everytime I log off. Is anyone else not having to feed their pet? I havent fed it since i was 58 and im 61 now. Also no I don't have that mend pet glyph.



P.S. BM rapes in pvp imo.

[Noobta]

What's the cower glitch?
And yeah, I don't feed my pet anymore either. That ferocity talent that gives 5% chance on hit to restore health/happiness is awesome.

[Krandor]

Yup sold all my Pet food, nice freeing up inventory for that. The amount of hapiness the Mend Pet glyph gives is almost completely negligable, but it's usually enough to hold your pet over until you get an ability proc to increase (assuming it's a Ferocity or Cunning pet).

[Gulkeeva]

How is haste bad for BM? It speeds the rate your volley fires, autoshots might as well be machinegun firing with bloodlust+rapid fire going which is pretty sexy dps. I think BM is the only spec that can get auto fires down to like .5 - .7sec firing rate?

Also it reduces the "steady shot firing time" which is probably good for pvp'ers if you want to do a quick shot then run around.

[Krandor]

If your Steady Shot cast timer goes under the GCD you're wasting the effectiveness of the stat.

Haste is already kind of a secondary stat with the amount they buffed pets now. Especially for BM, you're better off getting AGI/AP/Crit/etc to help improve your pets dps, since Haste really provides no benefit to your pet other then a chance to proc GFtT a millisecond faster then without.

[Gulkeeva]

410MB video
25man sapphiron
http://www.neko-sentai.com/tmpvid/sa...25manwotlk.avi

1.2sec or faster autoshots using a 2.9sec gun (spams cobra strikes) 100% crit pet special attacks (pet specal attacks under 1sec with cobra reflexs + icy talons. Crits are upwards to the 3000 range)

Steady shots firing faster then 1.5sec (I think lowest was .9sec)

The usefulness of haste like mentioned is...

I can fire it quick + move if needed (in this case blizzards) or... hagens(sp) "dance" I can steady shot while doing the dance without being hit for 8K from the green slugde novas from the floor
Autoshots don't clip.. they go nonstop, more haste = more pewpew autoshots (it is the majority of hunter dps, it has no limitations like steady shots 1.5sec GCD

Faster shooting = more crit chances = faster cobra strikes = pet more dps! (devilsaur goes up to near 1500's according to recount)

I should respec sometime for "raid" but I'm partially specced for solo/pvp pet survival. Would probably boost the pet dps a little more.

[fantasticdan]

I don't think anyone is saying haste doesn't increase hunter DPS, but it's just not as valuable as other stats. Gear itemized for more agi/atk/crit without haste, is going to give you better dps than gear with, for BM at least. And cobra strikes only procs off of arcane/steady/kill shot, not from auto-shots.

[Krandor]

I don't think anyone is saying haste doesn't increase hunter DPS, but it's just not as valuable as other stats. Gear itemized for more agi/atk/crit without haste, is going to give you better dps than gear with, for BM at least. And cobra strikes only procs off of arcane/steady/kill shot, not from auto-shots.

This.

The amount of focus on haste for the Tier 7 is disheartening because it's going to lead to less dps then gear with focus on the traditional stats.

[Gulkeeva]

1200ish agi isn't bad though unbuffed I think ;/ (and about 17500hp)

think I only got about 250 haste off everything

[Gulkeeva]

Your gonna love aspect of the dragon hawk

http://www.neko-sentai.com/images4a/...508_234821.jpg

used deterrence too for the pic, adds to the sexy!