University Shooting at Western Kentucky

[Kuya]

Well, i don't have any grave disagreements, so i'm just going to go read about Jörg Haider's bisexuality.

[Nystul]

Going to disagree.

In stressful situations, you fall back to your highest level of training. That is why some units, whatever they may be, are more successful at what they do. When the shit hits the fan you will perform at the level you have been trained for. That is the only thing that has been proven, anything else is psychological explanation bullshit.

It's easier to characterize this as we do: Battle Drills, or "a collective action rapidly executed without applying a deliberate decision-making process." In easier terms, this means shit that the dumbest person in the world will do in combat without having to think or be told he needs to do it. Every unit in the world, SWAT, HRT, whatever, has these and they allow units to function in high stress in a fluid capacity. Compound this with other high levels of training, whether it be weapons, demo, tactics etc and you don't have pussies who "throw training out the window". Trained operators don't act irrationally, they act at their highest level of training.

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

I know it's common to ignore a significant qualifying statement...but when it's the first sentence...

[Beckwin]

churchill you're trolling because nystul was referring to non-SWAT/military/paramilitary types. all your braggadocio about sweet-ass training is completely irrelevant, but it's how you troll- you try to turn every topic you can in the direction of your work and how great you claim to be at it.

you've had some of the higher weapons and combat training available on the planet. in order to get a CCW, you only have to pass a criminal background check. their "highest level of training" is the ability to fill out a form.

[Churchill]

Like I said, it was the second sentence where police officers claim "training goes out the window". Yes, police officers are trained for stressful situations, but from my experience most cops are pretty lol and if they are making that claim then it only further highlights that fact.

That statement is bullshit. As you've noticed, I've neither supported or damned CCW in schools. I really don't care, because honestly, if you let someone reload 4+ times (like what happened at VT) I really don't know how you consider yourself a man. On that topic, I don't think allowing guns in schools would necessarily promote more mass school shootings, though you might see more random bouts of violence. I don't think more security measures would really do much to stop anything, and I don't think that just because someone is carrying concealed they will prevent a school shooting. Most people in college are pseudo-alpha males from what I could tell, or maybe they truly are what an alpha male is, and what I consider someone who takes action in those situations to be is something else. Regardless, I guess my point is not many people in college have the mindset of the type of person who risks his life to stop someone who is capping a school. My motivation to stop it would come from my wanting to not be oppressed or subjected to the will or actions of another against my own, and maybe that's a more substantial reason than something like "selflessness"; that's a descriptor that I think goes out the window in these situations.

[Blarg]

Do towns/cities/states with a high gun ownership % experience lower gun related violence or deaths from guns per capita?

[Remyo]

yes

[Churchill]

I don't know if there's any data to answer the lower violence question, but I do know in areas that people own guns there is typically a lot of gun safety being taught.

[Blarg]

Do you have any data to just how much 'better' it is in those areas?

It seems to be different outside of the US (assuming what Remy says is in fact true) in that countries with lower gun control %'s don't show a inverse proportion of gun related killings/violence as far as I know.