University Shooting at Western Kentucky

[Rhinox]

Guns are everywhere else. Why should a school be different? Are people more likely to attack teachers and take their guns away when on campus or some other distubring statistic I've been missing?

Look, if you want to argue that guns should be banned everywhere, that's fine, go for it. But saying "they're ok a few feet off campus, but once you cross the street onto it there's more of a chance something bad could happen" is ridiculous.

I never said banned guns. I'm actually a big fan of guns in that I go to the shooting range about 1-2 a months. I also don't really give a fuck if you own a gun.

CC on the other hand....

[Rhinox]

Right I clearly said it's the only solution. I believe my exact words were "Lets go back to the wild wild west style and have everyone shootin everyone!"

And I can think of things much more extreme than allowing law obiding people to carry a gun.

Yea like Law Abiding citizens going deathwish and gungho in say a Hostage situation getting hostages killed in the process.

[Remyo]

Really? as terrible as campus shootings are and as much as I believe that 1 school shooting is 1 to many thinking that allowing guns in a school setting is the only solution is as about as extreme as you can get.

Increasing Police Presence on the property/campus is a far better solution.

that takes money and resources many departments don't have these days.

[Gregorio]

Yea like Law Abiding citizens going deathwish and gungho in say a Hostage situation getting hostages killed in the process.

Since when is a crazy person randomly shooting a bunch of people in a class a hostage situation?

[Tyche]

I'm watching a teacher for 2 hours a day for a class and a student could have gotten access to their desk for around 10min of that 2 hours today because of leaving it unattended. I'm sure there are dumber and smarter teachers and a lock (which lowers the amount of time to get the gun) could be put in place too I suppose.

I bet if there was a gun in that desk, other precautions would have been taken and it wouldn't have been "unattended". Very poor justification.

Edit: We debated the "teachers carrying" topic a few months ago. I actually argued against it, but not for the reason that it wasn't needed, I just find it hard to believe a teacher could pull the trigger on a 17 year old kid, even if they are firing away at kids in the lunchroom. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it, but that's probably because of the mindset I have.

[Rhinox]

Guarantee if you ask a Cop if CC is a good Idea he''ll probably clock you over head for asking such a stupid question.

[Remyo]

I'm watching a teacher for 2 hours a day for a class and a student could have gotten access to their desk for around 10min of that 2 hours today because of leaving it unattended. I'm sure there are dumber and smarter teachers and a lock (which lowers the amount of time to get the gun) could be put in place too I suppose.

10 minutes? when she/he knows there isn't anything in the desk to maintain security for?

[Rhinox]

Since when is a crazy person randomly shooting a bunch of people in a class a hostage situation?

read much? I changed the scenario to illustrate my point.

[Darkslitter]

I bet if there was a gun in that desk, other precautions would have been taken and it wouldn't have been "unattended". Very poor justification.

yeah i addressed that, I'm kind of bouncing in between positions and just pointing things out really

[Remyo]

Guarantee if you ask a Cop if CC is a good Idea he''ll probably clock you over head for asking such a stupid question.

the multitudes of police I know love CC

[Headspace]

that takes money and resources many departments don't have these days.

Add a minimal percentage to the tuition to pay for cops (who can even be in street clothes) to patrol campus? Enough students going to a school can pay for that and barely be noticeable when paying tuition.

[Gregorio]

Guarantee if you ask a Cop if CC is a good Idea he''ll probably clock you over head for asking such a stupid question.

Guarantee proven wrong.

I believe there's already a cop in here arguing against you. And in a few months hopefully I'll be able to tell you that you're wrong again.

[Kuya]

No not at all. You said increasing school security should be sufficient, and it clearly hasn't. I'm suggesting that we allow another option on top of increasing security to better curb the problem.

The school in question had increased its security prior to this incident?

You're speaking to me as if increasing security is supposed to stop school shootings; it isn't, but it's supposed to lower the chances and the severity of it, which so is allowing people to carry guns on campus, but i we can safely go with the more moderate option, and if you're going to increase security to keep guns out of a campus... why would you ask for guns on a campus?

It does not make sense for you to say that increasing security hasn't worked, when you are clearly not comparing a thing. You might want to elaborate.

[Remyo]

Guarantee proven wrong.

I believe there's already a cop in here arguing against you. And in a few months hopefully I'll be able to tell you that you're wrong again.

I'm not

[Gregorio]

read much? I changed the scenario to illustrate my point.

Changing the scenario changes the whole argument. We're talking about school shootings, not Die Hard.

[Blarg]

So if more people have guns then these shooters will be less likely to attack the unarmed people because they would fear for getting shot themselves?

What general % of people would need concealed weapons to make this less likely? How would the killers know that this danger is there if it's concealed? Would the drop in these killings due to this fear of facing other armed people be greater than more potential killings from more people having guns in general, surely some of these people carrying guns will have accidental discharges or angry outbursts where they aren't thinking clearly and reach for their gun rather than just punch someone.

These school shooters often end up shot by police anyway so why would they be scared to die? Do they just think about killing as many people as possible and death doesn't really scare them so the thought of not being able to kill as many people will deter them? If that's true wont they (the killer) just spend less time stalking the halls feeling empowered killing slowly and shoot as fast and as many people as possible before someone takes out their concealed gun and takes out the gunman.

Perhaps far fetched but maybe the would be killers will just act smarter about it and start their rampage in a class that they know will be less likely to have people with concealed weapons, like a cooking class or something.

I think if someone is determined to go on a rampage they will figure out a way to do it, and unless we have 50% of the school population carrying guns, which will never happen, I don't think these killers will be stopped or slowed to an extent that overall lowers the total killings.

[Day]

...and if you're going to increase security to keep guns out of a campus... why would you ask for guns on a campus?

You do that when you are trolling.

[Rhinox]

that takes money and resources many departments don't have these days.

So the solution is obvious. LET THE PEOPLE POLICE THEMSELVES!

[Aerin]

As a college student myself I'm honestly not sure if I'd feel more secure or more in danger by CC.

Back in HS I would for sure feel more in danger, those teachers would probably shoot themselves on accident as soon as they held a gun.

[Rhinox]

Changing the scenario changes the whole argument. We're talking about school shootings, not Die Hard.

fuck dude you can't be this stupid so I'll just chuck it up to you skimming my small posts.

My point was that I'm not against guns just against CC and Guns in school settings. I followed up with why I don't like CC. Okay?