University Shooting at Western Kentucky

[Remyo]

So the solution is obvious. LET THE PEOPLE POLICE THEMSELVES!

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[Gregorio]

The school in question had increased its security prior to this incident?

You're speaking to me as if increasing security is supposed to stop school shootings; it isn't, but it's supposed to lower the chances and the severity of it, which so is allowing people to carry guns on campus, but i we can safely go with the more moderate option, and if you're going to increase security to keep guns out of a campus... why would you ask for guns on a campus?

It does not make sense for you to say that increasing security hasn't worked, when you are clearly not comparing a thing. You might want to elaborate.

There will never be enough school security to run each person going into a school building through a metal detector and make sure they don't have a gun while allowing other metal objects. Because this is the only thing that will stop a school shooting almost for certain (at least inside the buildings), we have to go with what we can.

These shootings have been happening inside classrooms for the most part. Again, since there is no possibility of having an armed guard inside every classroom or even building, the students inside these rooms should have the option to carry their legally licensed gun in case one of these situations should arise. I'm not saying it definitely will stop the shooting, but it should significantly decrease the chances of multiple casualties if someone could fight back.

[Churchill]

That costume was pretty sweet. I am going to be a suicide bomber this year. I haven't decided on the before or after part yet.

[Aerin]

These shootings have been happening inside classrooms for the most part. Again, since there is no possibility of having an armed guard inside every classroom or even building, the students inside these rooms should have the option to carry their legally licensed gun in case one of these situations should arise. I'm not saying it definitely will stop the shooting, but it should significantly decrease the chances of multiple casualties if someone could fight back.

Dear God no. I can't even count the things wrong with that.

[Egon]

I live here in Bowling Green, the whole thing was a hoax.

[Gregorio]

Dear God no. I can't even count the things wrong with that.

Please try then.

[Rhinox]

Guarantee proven wrong.

I believe there's already a cop in here arguing against you. And in a few months hopefully I'll be able to tell you that you're wrong again.

Who is the cop Remyo? you? btw I can't prove it because the poll was of Chicago Police officers so its not really majority of the rest of the country but here in Chicago. But I'm willing to wager that Big city cops where crime is most prevalent they are against it.

[Darkslitter]

I'm not saying it definitely will stop the shooting, but it should significantly decrease the chances of multiple casualties if someone could fight back.

It wouldn't significantly decrease the chances, it would change the odds. While that could be in a positive way, it could also be in a negative way

[Aerin]

Please try then.

Just because you have a license to carry a gun, does not in any remote way mean that you know what to do when someone tries to take it from you. From what you said you'd have every one with a gun bring it to school as a deterrent. Do you not see anything wrong with that?

Imagine if some random person got really pissed off one day, wasn't thinking and grabbed someones gun and started shooting. You can't tell me that everyone who owns a gun would be able to handle themselves as well as a cop.

[Rhinox]

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[Kuya]

There will never be enough school security to run each person going into a school building through a metal detector and make sure they don't have a gun while allowing other metal objects. Because this is the only thing that will stop a school shooting almost for certain (at least inside the buildings), we have to go with what we can.

These shootings have been happening inside classrooms for the most part. Again, since there is no possibility of having an armed guard inside every classroom or even building, the students inside these rooms should have the option to carry their legally licensed gun in case one of these situations should arise. I'm not saying it definitely will stop the shooting, but it should significantly decrease the chances of multiple casualties if someone could fight back.

You're not arguing that people carrying guns would be more efficient than increased security, you're still saying the same thing; you're saying that security isn't perfect, and if it were than no school shootings would happen, which is a non issue, because your suggestion wouldn't be perfect either, and since we're not proposing perfect solutions, you'll have to argue that your solution is better.

If every person could be searched for weapons, as you are saying, then there would be no school shootings; you're not saying that better security would be worse, you're just saying that it's not perfect again, and that's not the issue.

[Charla]

... run each person going into a school building through a metal detector and make sure they don't have a gun while allowing other metal objects. Because this is the only thing that will stop a school shooting almost for certain (at least inside the buildings), we have to go with what we can.

I dunno kid, I can imagine an awful lot. (for how the first link would do it, just use your imagination. For the second, look about 6 lines into the paragraph on Earth, where it mentions the word psychistry). Science fiction really does have all the answers, you just have to pretend they're realistic!

[Gregorio]

Just because you have a license to carry a gun, does not in any remote way mean that you know what to do when someone tries to take it from you. From what you said you'd have every one with a gun bring it to school as a deterrent. Do you not see anything wrong with that?

Imagine if some random person got really pissed off one day, wasn't thinking and grabbed someones gun and started shooting. You can't tell me that everyone who owns a gun would be able to handle themselves as well as a cop.

No I wouldn't have everyone with a gun bring it to school as a deterrent. I'd allow people who choose to bring a gun to campus be allowed to do so.

And it's called a concealed permit for a reason, it's usually not in plain view. Crazies don't know for sure who is carring and who isn't.

[Darkslitter]

Crazies

Key word

[Khamsin]

Could have been panic setting in and disillusion, but they say that shots being fired aren't "confirmed". I've heard 2 interviews saying they did hear them as well my friend saying she heard them. I wouldn't ever expect her to lie about something like that, but there certainly could have been some panic and placebo setting in.

So when your friend got panicked and thought she heard shots from outside the room, what spooked her in the first place? Those people didn't even know anybody outside the room pulled out a gun. The only indication that anything would have been wrong would have been from the imaginary gunshots nobody actually heard.

[Aerin]

No I wouldn't have everyone with a gun bring it to school as a deterrent. I'd allow people who choose to bring a gun to campus be allowed to do so.

And it's called a concealed permit for a reason, it's usually not in plain view. Crazies don't know for sure who is carring and who isn't.

So what? Conceal it in your backpack? Just make sure the safety is on and all is fine with the world huh.

Wow you're right how silly of me. I mean how bad could it be, a bunch of kids roaming around school with guns, they all will have nothing but the best of intentions. I'm sure the process for selecting these people to be CC would be just as arduous as the screening for cops. And we all know, all cops a 100% legit.

[Gregorio]

You're not arguing that people carrying guns would be more efficient than increased security, you're still saying the same thing; you're saying that security isn't perfect, and if it were than no school shootings would happen, which is a non issue, because your suggestion wouldn't be perfect either, and since we're not proposing perfect solutions, you'll have to argue that your solution is better.

If every person could be searched for weapons, as you are saying, then there would be no school shootings; you're not saying that better security would be worse, you're just saying that it's not perfect again, and that's not the issue.

You said something as simple as reforming security is "sufficient".

Sufficient –adjective 1. adequate for the purpose; enough

The purpose of security is to keep people safe, and if people continue to die then increasing security is not "sufficient".

I said this a few times already but... I'm not saying that allowing people to carry on campus would stop shootings for sure. I'm simply saying it should be an option that could help curb the problem. Armed gunman vs. student = students don't have a chance. Armed gunman vs. armed student = students stand a better chance. I'm not sure what you're missing.

[Rhinox]

Funny thing is. The majority of the boards gunfreaks would probably fail the Police Psych test.

[Gregorio]

So what? Conceal it in your backpack? Just make sure the safety is on and all is fine with the world huh.

Wow you're right how silly of me. I mean how bad could it be, a bunch of kids roaming around school with guns, they all will have nothing but the best of intentions. I'm sure the process for selecting these people to be CC would be just as arduous as the screening for cops. And we all know, all cops a 100% legit.

Hopefully you know I'm not talking about highschool/gradeschool kids by this point...but anyway.

What about a campus makes it different than off campus? You can carry a gun legally across the street from campus. You cannot once you cross the street. Where is the logic in this?

[Day]

You said something as simple as reforming security is "sufficient".

Sufficient –adjective 1. adequate for the purpose; enough

The purpose of security is to keep people safe, and if people continue to die then increasing security is not "sufficient".

I said this a few times already but... I'm not saying that allowing people to carry on campus would stop shootings for sure. I'm simply saying it should be an option that could help curb the problem. Armed gunman vs. student = students don't have a chance. Armed gunman vs. armed student = students stand a better chance. I'm not sure what you're missing.

You really think giving more people guns on campus is going to reduce shootings. Really? You really believe this?