Ret is broken

[Correction]

TBC fights are considerably shorter and were not tuned before the last talent changes, so I'd expect them to die much much faster. I think my ZA pug killed Zul'jin in ~50 seconds the other day, I'd have to go back and double check but that guy was basically a sheet of paper with his loot table written on it. On the other hand we almost wiped to Chromaggus with the same group later that night. And nobody remembered where to stand during Nef's landing Shadow Flame. Fuck you 15 minute retry timer.

Easy content is easy.

[Krandor]

While I'm enjoying being able to get some achievements/titles finished because of what a joke PvE is right now, I have a feeling the first few 5 mans in Lich King are going to whup everyone's ass because we'll all be so adjusted to easy content.

[Correction]

They have promised to make the 5-mans short, at least. So even if they're Heroic Magister's hard, once you master the fight it's still not more than 90 minutes out of your day at worst. Heroic Arc still takes fucking ages with all the pulls.

[Eaglestrike]

The 4th quest in that chain has to have 5 people to summon so : /

And I dunno, mana regen is way up right now with the raid wide buffs. Easy content yeah but I mean, between doing the first 5 in SSC on my Holy Paladin on Saturday and Vashj with my Hunter on Sunday, I didn't have to use a single mana pot either night, and only used viper for like 10 seconds max during Vashj.

Not those Ogri'la 5-mans. I mean the 5-man quests you get after you unlock it and I think raise your rep a little bit. I have 3-4 5-man quests from the ogres in Ogri'la.

[Kytele]

It's ok guys:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...aft/jponly.jpg


Jayponree has come to save the day.


(damnit i just started her and was level 30 before the nerfs were announced :< )

[Royal]

It's ok guys:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...aft/jponly.jpg


Jayponree has come to save the day.


(damnit i just started her and was level 30 before the nerfs were announced :< )

They nerfing ret? Nos!

[Ishido]

The difference between ret and prot soloing those quests was ret killing the mobs in 5-10 seconds, I doubt prot was doing similar at similar gear levels.

And the reason I said the mana change was for situations like PvP moreso than PvE. I realize all abilities now cost a percent of base mana, which is why I said costs should be retuned to similar what they are now. With current mana values as feral I had around 6k mana at 80, I would imagine ret to be similar. That is about 4 mana burns before either is unable to perform almost any action (yes, I realize mana burning a feral is difficult at best, impossible at worst).

Also, it seemed to me during the beta that 5 mans were of similar difficulty on there with assorted blues/epics as current ones are in the same type of gear. Heroics now take probably an average of 40 minutes, I expect wrath dungeons will be able to be cleared very fast, which will be nice.

[Krandor]

To be fair, as Holy, the changes are really really minor to my dps (granted my dps as Holy is horrible to begin with). I was dpsing headless horseman today as Holy, and Judgement of Righteousness ended up as 11% of my dps, and the Seal was only about 6 or 7% (almost half of my damage as Holy comes from Holy Shock right now). So I mean, it's not a big deal for Holy but well, when I struggle to break 600 dps on non Undead, they definitely could have found some other way to balance things out then nerfing EVERY seal, especially since Ret will never touch Righteousness

[Krandor]

Judgements of the Wise and Seal/Judgement of Command nerf is being hotfixed in to Live today, but Blizz also stated that Seal of Blood/Martyr will be unnerfed and brought back up to 95% of their previous state, since those are both pretty much purely PvE abilities.

[Royal]

So how long until they are done nerfing paladins so I can play?

[Ramor]

They have promised to make the 5-mans short, at least. So even if they're Heroic Magister's hard, once you master the fight it's still not more than 90 minutes out of your day at worst. Heroic Arc still takes fucking ages with all the pulls.

this makes me very happy in the groinal region.

Not that shit takes a long ass time now, but if it's shorter then more people will hopefully want to go, which will also reduce the time everyone spends shouting for that tank/healer that you can never find. Just as long as you can't do like 20 heroics in the span of an hour with the same group I think it'll work out real well.

[Koyangi]

I can solo 3-5man quests as prot no problem, lol. I solo'd HH, Nexus King Saladhaar (the huge ethereal in Netherstorm) and will be going to do the Ogri'la 5-mans at some point to see if I can do that.

My prot pally isnt as greatly geared as yours, but I can definately vouch for those accomplishments and I plan to try the Blade's Edge and Netherstorm "requires 3-5" players NM's solo just to see, doing other things slightly less powerful though, it is a great improvement and I cant wait till 75.

[Ishido]

12 arena matches tonight, 11 had a ret pally on the other team. Shit is ridiculous.

(also fuck freedom)

[Plow]

So how long until they are done nerfing paladins so I can play?

right around when world of starcraft comes out

[Krandor]

The fact that they make Righteous Vengeance overwrite itself if you get another crit is really poor design choice, pretty punch penalizing Ret Paladins for stacking crit.

[Correction]

So let me get this straight, RV works like:

Divine Storm crits: 1k damage
1st tick: 100 damage
Judge crits before 2nd tick: 800 damage

The next tick of RV will only do 80 damage?

[Rivero]

Are you sure it crits for only 1k? I'm getting assraped by rets in pvp now... : /

[Kurp]

I thought they changed Deep Wounds to not reset the DoT and instead add to them. It doesn't seem right that RV wouldn't work the same way.

Maybe I'm wrong about Deep Wounds though, I haven't been paying much attention to warrior lately.

[Correction]

Are you sure it crits for only 1k? I'm getting assraped by rets in pvp now... : /

Just trying to figure out what Krandor meant by 'overwrites,' the damage is provided as an example

[Rivero]

Ah I see. : p