Is one side of RMT hated and the other embraced?

[wop]

Need we go through this again ringthree?

Everything wopa does to make gils = douche

Everything ringtree does to make gils = not douche


Do yourself a favour as well, no one on this forum like you much either.

[Antithesis]

Why is it that right after Wopa posts you posted something afterwards Ring? I just let out the biggest Lol in rl when I saw "Ringthree" as last poster XD.

[wop]

Why is it that right after Wopa posts you posted something afterwards Ring? I just let out the biggest Lol in rl when I saw "Ringthree" as last poster XD.

You obviously forgot about this thread http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56249 which he proved to us all he has an IQ of an apple.

[Khelek]

Apples are pretty smart people. I mean, they invented gravity.

[Saithorx]

I'll read the responses after posting so I don't get biased before.

I believe that the RMT that affect our game via
1)claiming NMs
2)farming non stop in an area where you are farming
3)AH manipulation
for the purpose of selling for real money, is what pisses people off. It affects how enjoyable the game is.

People who played as a regular player and then sell their character (to someone else who in turn will play as a regular player) for money may get less hate towards the trade. The only really annoying if the person had plans to quit and got a rare item for the sole purpose of increasing the value of the account.

[Ryko]

Not quite.

It also depends on WHO the said person is RMTing.

As quoted, when Sath or Ryko sold their account, it was swept under the carpet fast.

If it was me or Stan...shitstorm on BG 40+ pages within a day.
lolfavouritism?

Hypocrites will always be hypocrites.

You do realize I outed myself and stepped down as a mod and the subsequent lack of interest in someone just admitting their own wrongdoing is why it got "swept under the carpet", correct? 102 posts and the response was basically "and?". I didn't ask for some sort of cover up, all of you went "meh" because it wasn't someone else blowing my spot, I was more than ready for the topic it could have been. There wasn't a "good job" or a "you evil bastard" response to it, no one even cared.

A month later and finally it becomes something, nice.

[Qtipus]

Price of coral on Odin has nearly doubled since the last STF report. I'm waiting for the shitstorm of people griping about the cost of RR hairpins and gorgets now soon.

People love RMT farmers when it saves them money on consumables.

People hate RMT farmers when it blocks them from making money.


I used to hate the notion of people selling their accounts. Now it's just so commonplace, there's not much we can do about it. Can gripe and whine about them being sold and preach about how unethical or immoral it is, but in the end, it comes down to what type of person it is that owned the account. I told one of my friends that sold his account he was a fuckwad for doing it, but I didn't end my friendship with him. Why would I? He was my friend before FFXI and will be my friend after FFXI. There are some that would just as soon crucify anyone that sells an account rather than look at it as a simple disagreement of opinion. Some prefer to just constantly bash someone any time they see them. What most don't realize or refuse to admit is...

Everyone has a price.

It's easy to say you'd never sell your account while you're so actively involved in the game. It's near impossible to see that potential pricetag to some when they place the friendships they've made as the true value of this game. As time goes on and cliques of friends disappear and thoughts of leaving FFXI yourself creep into the forefront, all it takes is someone coming along and saying "I'll give you $10,000 for your account." Some might entertain the notion even for just a few hundred bucks.

It is the anonymous internet however and being judgemental trumps actual reasonable judgement. :D

[Liseth]

This is how I look at it. No amount of crying or moaning will ever get rid of RMT. If I gave my friend who lived next door and gave them X amount of IRL dollars in tangible cash for an account they had possession of, or they gave me X amount of IRL dollars for an account I was in possession of that would be an RMT transaction leaving no paper trail or w/e. Even if eBay and every site concerning internet transactions with real world money outlawed and cracked down on RMT completely, it would still be possible to RMT accounts in some shape or form. I have no beef with people selling their accounts. Considering the years of subscription fees they might have paid they may or may not break even the majority of the time. Would I ever RMT my account? Never say never, right? Though I don't see it as a certain possibility. In fact, I think I'd rather drink 2 litres of piss than see some newb get a hold of my account which I've wasted countless hours of my life making uber in the hallowed name of internet peen.

[Kilhart]

HE FUCKING IS!!!

Just because the likelihood of him causing someone harm is substantially lower doesn't mean that he couldn't potentially hurt someone. By that logic, drunk drivers should only be arrested if they actually hurt someone and not before.

Uh, no, by that logic, drunk drivers SHOULD be arrested because they do pose a substantial threat.

[ringthree]

Need we go through this again ringthree?

Everything wopa does to make gils = douche

Everything ringtree does to make gils = not douche


Do yourself a favour as well, no one on this forum like you much either.

Nah, I think you are a douche for completely different reasons now.

You did hurt my feelings though. *sniffles*

I will tell you this, I am about as far one way on this issue as you are the other way. Conflicts like this happen inevitably, if you don't enjoy the discussion then simply do not engage in it and it goes away.

[ringthree]

You obviously forgot about this thread http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56249 which he proved to us all he has an IQ of an apple.

Yes, because when you little cult cheers you on that makes you so right!

[Antithesis]

You do realize I outed myself and stepped down as a mod and the subsequent lack of interest in someone just admitting their own wrongdoing is why it got "swept under the carpet", correct? 102 posts and the response was basically "and?". I didn't ask for some sort of cover up, all of you went "meh" because it wasn't someone else blowing my spot, I was more than ready for the topic it could have been. There wasn't a "good job" or a "you evil bastard" response to it, no one even cared.

A month later and finally it becomes something, nice.

The only reason I still respect you is because your good on SSBB. (I'm kidding lol but yeah I want a rematch bitch.)

[Ryko]

I'd say something like "It's sad that it took so long for me to realize just how much value the respect of a gaming community really means" but then someone would point out my smash bullshit and it'd be like "ohi hypocrite x2" and frankly I'd rather avoid that whole line of discussion anyway.

"Is it wrong? Yes"
"Who cares though?"
"The people still playing"
"Which I guess doesn't affect me then"

*shrug*

[Seraph]

You do realize I outed myself and stepped down as a mod and the subsequent lack of interest in someone just admitting their own wrongdoing is why it got "swept under the carpet", correct? 102 posts and the response was basically "and?". I didn't ask for some sort of cover up, all of you went "meh" because it wasn't someone else blowing my spot, I was more than ready for the topic it could have been. There wasn't a "good job" or a "you evil bastard" response to it, no one even cared.

A month later and finally it becomes something, nice.

Hard to make a big deal over it when the best word I can come up with to describe the situation is "Disappointment". Besides, the "It doesn't effect me anyways la la la la la" line of logic is so lame comming from someone usually known for wit and quick comebacks. /shrug

[Lampoon]

I spy with my eye... a dead horse...

[Ryko]

Hard to make a big deal over it when the best word I can come up with to describe the situation is "Disappointment".

Which is understandable but my point was to not get it mixed up. I at first tried to cover my own shit up then I decided it wasn't worth it and just laid it out. No one made a relevant response to the entire thing aside from wafik jumping the gun and moving the topic once, then back because I mentioned that if sono wanted the topic elsewhere, he could have told me before I posted the thing. No one tried to sweep anything under the rug, there just wasn't much to talk about. A month later people finally want to say the 3 things that should have been said in the first place but weren't because I said it myself?

I spy with my eye... a dead horse...

^ Honestly sounds just about right.

[Kaibelf]

I've always considered regular players RMTing and gilsellers to be equally as shitty. Ryko's an ass, Mr. Chinese (Korean, Malaysian, Singaporian, w/e) gilseller is an ass, that group of UAE (read: every one of them that I've ever met) players who love to buy gil are asses, Mikesjustice, that first group of douches that taught RMT how to do sky and sea, HappyFriends LS, Wadian, Feitard, and everyone who has ever bought gil can all die in the same fire.

They may each have different levels of effect on it, but they all contribute to the same significant problem.

^ this.

[Seraph]

Which is understandable but my point was to not get it mixed up. I at first tried to cover my own shit up then I decided it wasn't worth it and just laid it out. No one made a relevant response to the entire thing aside from wafik jumping the gun and moving the topic once, then back because I mentioned that if sono wanted the topic elsewhere, he could have told me before I posted the thing. No one tried to sweep anything under the rug, there just wasn't much to talk about. A month later people finally want to say the 3 things that should have been said in the first place but weren't because I said it myself?

No, I get it. Definately not making a big deal over it, but you seemed to be curious why people didn't attend your goodbye party in swarms, and the reason is you pissed on your own cake.

[Odin'sLaw]

Celebies (yes even ffxi has them) are in the public eye

if Wopa sold his account to me it would be a shitstorm for a few reasons

#1 Same server so i can dual box my little midget
#2 i can actully play my jobs just need sexier gear (ask wopa)
#3 I'd make all them Wopacompany swine's pay!

tbh only the last one makes a shitstorm >.> :3

[Ryko]

Actually that was the original intention, I knew it'd get that sort of reaction if I posted it myself. I'm more wondering why people are coming up a month later asking for some pisscake leftovers.