NBA 2008-2009 Season

[GRT]

Sorry, just needed a confirmation that you actually thought that way.

I mean it's such a dumb logic that I didn't actually think anyone who could count would actually think that way.

[Deejay]

So your logic is, if there are other good players on a team besides the super star, that super star is no longer as valuable to the team.

I always thought it was common knowledge that the less you have around a good player, the more valuable he is to that team? What the fuck is dumb about that logic?

I never said it was only thing you should measure as far as MVP voting goes, but it's still fucking important. Especially if that team is making a solid playoff run.

Edit: And I wasn't taking anything away from what Lebron is doing. But simply put, if Wade had the same supporting cast as Kobe, he'd have the same exact record. It's retarded to remove him from MVP consideration simply because he's doing more with less around him. If anything, that should help his chances, not hurt them... especially when he's more valuable to the winning team that he plays on than Kobe is. Thus, your assbackwards reasoning is retarded.

[Dimmauk]

LeBron win will the MVP.

[Devia]

LeBron win will the MVP.

Are sure you?

[Dimmauk]

Are sure you?

Yup.

[GRT]

I always thought it was common knowledge that the less you have around a good player, the more valuable he is to that team? What the fuck is dumb about that logic?

I never said it was only thing you should measure as far as MVP voting goes, but it's still fucking important. Especially if that team is making a solid playoff run.

Edit: And I wasn't taking anything away from what Lebron is doing. But simply put, if Wade had the same supporting cast as Kobe, he'd have the same exact record. It's retarded to remove him from MVP consideration simply because he's doing more with less around him. If anything, that should help his chances, not hurt them... especially when he's more valuable to the winning team that he plays on than Kobe is. Thus, your assbackwards reasoning is retarded.

Whoa whoa hold your horses Defensive Dan, I haven't said a word about my assbackwards reasoning yet.

Unless you are referring to me doubting that you could count beyond your fingers and toes. That's not a reasoning, it's an observation.

[Deejay]

lol when it comes to sports talk I only have one gear

[Stee]

But simply put, if Wade had the same supporting cast as Kobe, he'd have the same exact record.

I don't know if I can agree with this.....

It's not like Wade has THAT horrible of a cast, he has a 6 time all star and a number 2 pick who was in the running for rookie of the year up until 2 months ago. Jermaine O'neals game might have dropped off a bit but its not like he's Kwame Brown.

And people always say Lebron has a horrible cast too but let's face it hes got 2 all stars on his team and a guy whos won defensive player of the year 4 times.

[Bearsan]

I don't know if I can agree with this.....

It's not like Wade has THAT horrible of a cast, he has a 6 time all star and a number 2 pick who was in the running for rookie of the year up until 2 months ago. Jermaine O'neals game might have dropped off a bit but its not like he's Kwame Brown.

And people always say Lebron has a horrible cast too but let's face it hes got 2 all stars on his team and a guy whos won defensive player of the year 4 times.

Mario Chalmers is no cream puff either.

[Deejay]

You're seriously trying to say that Chalmers/Beasley are worth something this season? How many minutes do you think they would play if they were on the Lakers right now? Beasley would be LUCKY to see 10 minutes a game in the Lakers rotation, and same goes for Chalmers. Furthermore, how many teams have ever made it to the 4th seed while starting not one, but two rookies? Give me a break, lol.

And do you really think 6 time all-star Jermaine O'neal is even a quarter of the player as he once was? I mean really? Last I checked, 13 and 6 is mediocre at best, especially when you've got no name role players like David Lee averaging 16 and 11. Again, give me an effing break lol.

[Bearsan]

You're seriously trying to say that Chalmers/Beasley are worth something this season? How many minutes do you think they would play if they were on the Lakers right now? Beasley would be LUCKY to see 10 minutes a game in the Lakers rotation, and same goes for Chalmers. Furthermore, how many teams have ever made it to the 4th seed while starting not one, but two rookies? Give me a break, lol.

They are a 5th seed at 36-30, and would be #9 in the west right now. So yes, a team starting two rookies can make a very mediocre 36-30.

Edit: #9 in the west.

[Akiyama]

They are a 5th seed at 36-30, and would be #9 in the west right now. So yes, a team starting two rookies can make a very mediocre 36-30.

Uh. Pretty sure since they ARE in the East, whether they'd be #9 in the West or not means absolutely nothing. That annoys me as much as anyone saying "Holy crap, if <soandso baseball team> was in the NL West, they would be winning that division by so much!" They aren't though. You're stuck in the division/conference you play in.

I hate agreeing with Deejay at times, but I do here. Wade has two rookies, a declining "superstar", and uh.. Haslem I guess? Not exactly an uber supporting cast. Kobe didn't have a great supporting cast a couple years back, but does now. LeBron didn't have a great supporting cast, but does right now. Wade has had to carry his team on his back all year, and they wouldn't have a winning record without him. I'd be willing to guess they wouldn't even have 15 wins without him. Could the Lakers survive with Gasol/Odom? I think so. Make the playoffs? Not 100% sure there. I think without Kobe, the Lakers are still better than the Suns, though. If that means anything. Could the Cavs survive without LeBron? I honestly don't know. In the East, probably. They'd be closer to a .500 record though for sure.

Either way, there's no sense in arguing about who has the most useless supporting cast. The fact is both players are putting up superb numbers, and whoever does win the MVP will deserve it.

[Deejay]

They are a 5th seed at 36-30, and would be #9 in the west right now. So yes, a team starting two rookies can make a very mediocre 36-30.

Edit: #9 in the west.

And Pippen wouldn't be a hall of famer if jordan was never born, ewing would have won a title, and kobe would be the greatest player ever.

but in the end, no one gives a fuck because we don't substitute real life with retarded hypotheticals

[Bearsan]

Fine, so it doesn't matter if they're in the East. But when people phrase it like "4th Seed" then it is worth pointing out the disparity in quality between the East (outside the top 3 teams) and the West.

However, 36-30 is still a very mediocre record, and does not warrant MVP consideration. In 05-06, Kobe took the Lakers into the playoffs at 45-37, while averaging basically 35-5-5. However, Steve Nash won the MVP. Like Stee said, historically MVPs have not been chosen based upon the stellar stats that they put up.

[Akiyama]

That's true. Do I really think Wade will win the MVP? No. Do I think he's the most deserving though? Yes. That's my opinion and I'll be sticking to it. The way the MVP is chosen is rather stupid anyway, like most sports with an MVP award. Not much we can do about that though.

[Deejay]

However, 36-30 is still a very mediocre record, and does not warrant MVP consideration. In 05-06, Kobe took the Lakers into the playoffs at 45-37, while averaging basically 35-5-5. However, Steve Nash won the MVP. Like Stee said, historically MVPs have not been chosen based upon the stellar stats that they put up.

If you're trying to say that Kobe deserved the MVP that year, I'm not going to disagree with you. Steve Nash is probably one of the most overrated players of all time, and he's the only 2+time MVP winner that never won a ring or even make a finals appearance.

And this is why I have a problem with the MVP award post jordan era- everyone expects the MVP to be on one of the top 3 teams in the league. It's a damn individual award, people need to treat start treating it as such.

[Bearsan]

If you're trying to say that Kobe deserved the MVP that year, I'm not going to disagree with you. Steve Nash is probably one of the most overrated players of all time, and he's the only 2+time MVP winner that never won a ring or even make a finals appearance.

And this is why I have a problem with the MVP award post jordan era- everyone expects the MVP to be on one of the top 3 teams in the league. It's a damn individual award, people need to treat start treating it as such.

Yeah, that was the point. Dwayne Wade might be most deserving of the award, but I don't see the current selection process picking him this year.

[Saga]

I just thought this was cool: the Miami Heat is practicing in the gym in my dorm right now. >_> They're playing the Celtics tomorrow and using our gym to prep. Unfortunately, my school is the most undeserving to have this happen to since it's a liberal arts school and no one even knows what the fuck the Heat is, so these tall ass guys in their Heat jackets are chilling in the lobby on their phones or just hanging out and all these boys-gone-girls in their skinny jeans are cowering as they head out to class. But all our building security is black (and hence, like basketball) so they're chatting it up with the team, one of my buddies snapped a picture with them, they're having a hayday. Anyway, just thought I'd share. Wish I had a basketball to get signed or something but idk. And I'm not nearly familiar with the team as I am with the Hawks and the Celts so I'd feel weird.

[Dimmauk]

Rockets forward Carl Landry wounded in shooting

HOUSTON (AP)—Houston Rockets forward Carl Landry was shot in the left leg early Tuesday while driving near his home.

The injury was minor, and the team said Landry was treated at a hospital and released. The Rockets said they expected Landry to return to action in one to three weeks.

The shooting occurred about 4 a.m., a few hours after the Rockets returned from a game at New Orleans. Landry drove home after the team arrived about 12:30 a.m.

Houston police said a car with two occupants hit Landry’s vehicle from behind. Police said Landry was shot when he got out to inspect the damage, and the other vehicle left the scene. The Rockets also said Landry dislocated a finger on his left hand in the incident.

The 6-foot-9 Landry has become a valuable player off the bench for the Rockets, averaging 9.3 points and five rebounds in his second NBA season. He had 12 points and six rebounds in Monday’s 95-84 win that kept Houston in third place in the Western Conference standings.

“We are very thankful and relieved that Carl’s injuries were relatively minor and that he is doing well,” the Rockets said in a statement. “We are in the process of working with authorities to gather more information.”

Landry was drafted by Seattle in the second round in 2007, then traded to Houston for a future second-round pick and cash. He averaged eight points and 4.9 rebounds in 2007-08. In Game 3 of a first-round series against Utah, Landry blocked Deron Williams’ layup try with 3.4 seconds left to preserve Houston’s 94-92 victory.

[Stee]

PHOENIX -- There might be some salvation for the "crab dribble" after all.

In response to increased scrutiny in recent years, the NBA is examining rewriting its traveling rules as soon as next season. It may include allowing for two steps, not one as currently written, and possibly even a provision for LeBron James' famous, or infamous, depending on your perspective, crab-dribble move.

"We're working on it," Joe Borgia, NBA's vice president of referee operations, told the ESPN.com blog Truehoop recently.

"Our traveling rule we've been discussing for a couple of years," he said. "The game has evolved. I don't think the rule has evolved since the time of Bob Cousy. But we're also going to probably share it with the NCAA and maybe FIBA, because it would be nice if we could all come up with a similar rule. A similar rule would be great for the players, the coaches, and the officials."

The news that the league is considering clarifying the rule, which gets violated and called differently all season long, was received with satisfaction from James. Though players have been allowed two steps in practice for many years, James has been caught in controversial traveling situations numerous times in his career.

The most focus has been on James' jump-stop move, which he's been perfecting since high school. Sometimes he travels and gets away with it, sometimes he executes it properly and still gets called for traveling.

"That would be good, I could get my move back," James said of the potential rule changes. "They stole my move. I've gotten used to knowing that you have to land on two feet."

Traveling is a hot-button topic for NBA fans, especially when watching players like James and Miami's Dwyane Wade. Because of his speed and the length of his stride, James can often cover large distances and change possession without dribbling.

"Sometimes it is called right and sometimes it isn't, but they'll figure it out," James said.

LeBron James pleased to hear NBA is reconsidering rules on traveling - Cleveland Cavaliers Basketball NBA News - cleveland.com

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